Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[HelloCity]

@blueyorkie sorry for the shit drawing, something like this

NS- North Stand Expansion
City Plaza - A dual-purpose area that can be used by people using the stadium and COOP Live with either the club shop and museum or bars and restaurants. There would also be a new staircase built from the tram stops to the bridge giving access to COOP live
CS+M -Club Shop and Museum
Hotel- Hotel, Offices, Bars, Apartments, Cinema etc

This is purely a suggestion

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North Stand will be how you have it but the square/plaza will be under a roof where the club shop is now. The hotel/office area will be where you have listed City Plaza/Club Shop/Museum. The club shop and museum will likely be within the north stand expansion itself, although they might build a temporary club shop while construction goes on.

 

[glyntowen]

These look like window sampling rigs. Steel tubes are inserted into the ground and and the soil is extracted from tubes. It is usually to test for contamination rather than ground bearing capacity. Prior to any development the Local Authority require a remediation strategy to be put in place where any contaminated ground is identified and to excavated material classified as inert, non contaminated, contaminated etc.... Disposal sites need to understand the classification of any excavated material so that contaminated waste can be managed correctly. This level of information also helps any contractor pricing the groundworks as contaminated material costs a lot more to dispose than inert material. The contractor will also need to provide a remediation strategy for the LPA demonstrating that any imported material is clean and not contaminated. Very responsible way of managing the construction process. For those who are interested in future development of the ground there are very encouraging signs.

From memory the ground from the Kippax was classed as contaminated waste and the cost for disposal went from £1 a ton to £27 a ton so can make a hell of a difference and that was back in 93(?)

 

[Centurions]

Nothing ?

Same @blueyorkie, no DMs turned up :)

 

[LEXSTARproject]

North Stand will be how you have it but the square/plaza will be under a roof where the club shop is now. The hotel/office area will be where you have listed City Plaza/Club Shop/Museum. The club shop and museum will likely be within the north stand expansion itself, although they might build a temporary club shop while construction goes on.

@HelloCity & @blueyorkie The reason for drawing the City Plaza as a big area was to take in footfall from the arena which if you look at the top of the picture there is a bridge that leads to the arena along with Joe Mercer Way. That is why I have placed the club shop and the museum next to AT Way. I have also placed the hotel and office building, pubs and restaurants at the old casino site as that leave a decent size car park outside it that could be used seven days a week with entry via Gibbon Street

 

[LEXSTARproject]

Posted on another forum

 

[blueyorkie]

Same @blueyorkie, no DMs turned up :)

It was aimed at LexStar

 

[blueyorkie]

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Posted on another forum

Which forum?

 

[richards30]

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If they go to all this effort then finish it off properly with an external wrap!

 

[Keeper!]

It’s ironic that those muppets did that… it’s almost a self produced metaphor for City actually burying them

Sadly if it's true and there are a few dippers ones down there as well, the soil contamination bill will be MASSIVE.

 

[KS55]

While these developments are exciting and will enhance the matchday experience, it should be remembered that the land is jointly owned by CFG and the council. All rents etc will accrue to them and not to City. The same is true of the arena.
The club will eventually get benefit from CFG in terms of shared facilities such as IT, scouting, players moving around the group etc, but it is clear that CFG is the owners priority. From the owners point of view, this is an improvement to a CFG asset.

 

[WRicko]

While these developments are exciting and will enhance the matchday experience, it should be remembered that the land is jointly owned by CFG and the council. All rents etc will accrue to them and not to City. The same is true of the arena.
The club will eventually get benefit from CFG in terms of shared facilities such as IT, scouting, players moving around the group etc, but it is clear that CFG is the owners priority. From the owners point of view, this is an improvement to a CFG asset.

Eventually benefit we already have

 

[Centurions]

It was aimed at LexStar

So was mine :)


With one or two others included (and yes, Richard30, I'm looking at you ;) )

 

[Centurions]

Which forum?

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/ probably.

Information (and pure speculation) tends to be repeated between this site and that one. jrb and discosteve (just 2 off the top of my head) post on both so any "real" info will always be repeated here.

Edit: I find that site a bit difficult to navigate so I've included some interesting related links below (mostly posted by jrb previously on here):-

Co-op Live Arena | Eastlands

Updated designs to be made public on the 2nd of March. Originally posted by Petrusha on Blue Moon...

www.skyscrapercity.com

Collar Site | Etihad Campus

Congratulations! :cheers:

www.skyscrapercity.com

Old Manchester

Manchester Plan 1945 This is how the city centre was envisaged for 2045 Look, they've knocked down the town hall! Lovely, hope you like. i'm off to the alps for a week.get in.

www.skyscrapercity.com

Grey Mare Lane | Strategic Framework

Architect: Buttress Developer: One Manchester https://democracy.manchester.gov.uk/documents/s30119/Appendix%202%20-%20Masterplan%20Oct%2021.pdf

www.skyscrapercity.com

High Speed Rail (HS2) Updates

Right, given it appears that TIF is about to come to a crashing end, along with any reasonable prospect of delivering a good local public transport for Manchester and region, I think I may shift my focus onto badgering DfT for HSR2 to be built up from London, to Heathrow and then to Brum and...

www.skyscrapercity.com

One Manchester unveils £70m vision for Grey Mare Lane Estate - Place North West

The housing provider has produced a masterplan for the redevelopment of the Beswick neighbourhood, proposing the demolition of out-of-date housing stock and the creation of 290 new houses and apartments.

www.placenorthwest.co.uk

 

[blue whippet]

 

[blue whippet]

A friend flying out of Manchester to day sent me the above image, good view of the area and arena, I think!

 

[Goatmeal]

A friend flying out of Manchester to day sent me the above image, good view of the area and arena, I think!

That old gas storage could be turned into a circular hotel?
Is it listed and has to stay?

 

[blue whippet]

That old gas storage could be turned into a circular hotel?
Is it listed and has to stay?

I have no idea. There are a couple of posters on here who have some knowledge of what is going on. Think we will both have to wait and see, they do stand out though.

 

[petrusha]

That old gas storage could be turned into a circular hotel?
Is it listed and has to stay?

They're two out of 40 such sites for which the National Grid, their owner, wants to find partners to help in their development. The most recent story about them that I can find is this one in the MEN from exactly 3 years ago. It suggested that residential use was most likely but it was unclear whether they'd be demolished or not. There have been residential developments in London that used the gasholder structure as part of the design but in other cases they've simply been demolished.

Back at the end of November 2019, it was stated that discussions were at an early stage. I can't find any later reports on what's happened in subsequent negotiations and, in particular, whether residential use remains the most likely prospect. Presumably talks about them have been and quite likely still are carrying on in the background.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

They're two out of 40 such sites for which the National Grid, their owner, wants to find partners to help in their development. The most recent story about them that I can find is this one in the MEN from exactly 3 years ago. It suggested that residential use was most likely but it was unclear whether they'd be demolished or not. There have been residential developments in London that used the gasholder structure as part of the design but in other cases they've simply been demolished.

Back at the end of November 2019, it was stated that discussions were at an early stage. I can't find any later reports on what's happened in subsequent negotiations and, in particular, whether residential use remains the most likely prospect. Presumably talks about them have been and quite likely still are carrying on in the background.

Not looking promising by June of this year.

We live next to the gasholders by the Etihad. What do we get now they're going?

"People can't afford the houses they are building around here anyway. It's for people who have big jobs coming from London. This estate has been ripped apart for years."

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

"National Grid, which owns the gasholders, has now been given permission to demolish one of the rusting structures - at the old Saxon Street Gasworks off Bradford Road in Miles Platting.

Plans to bulldoze a second disused gasholder off Alan Turing Way are expected to be submitted to Manchester City Council in the coming months. National Grid claims there are no firm plans for either site once the gasholders have been removed."

 

[petrusha]

Not looking promising by June of this year.

We live next to the gasholders by the Etihad. What do we get now they're going?

"People can't afford the houses they are building around here anyway. It's for people who have big jobs coming from London. This estate has been ripped apart for years."

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

"National Grid, which owns the gasholders, has now been given permission to demolish one of the rusting structures - at the old Saxon Street Gasworks off Bradford Road in Miles Platting.

Plans to bulldoze a second disused gasholder off Alan Turing Way are expected to be submitted to Manchester City Council in the coming months. National Grid claims there are no firm plans for either site once the gasholders have been removed."

Thanks for the later link. Doesn't sound olike there'll be anything happening, apart from possibly demolition, in the near future.