The British Monarchy

[Mraitch]

It’s usually the rhetoric used by right leaning thinkers whenever similar topics are being discussed on here.
The original discussion is replaced by whataboutism that ends up diluting the conversation.
You thinking there’s no way a charity could be set up to help only vulnerable white woman is right out of the Farage textbook.
You believing that and being a school governor is to me more concerning than an 80 odd year old woman being a bit behind the times.
Hope that helps.

I was a school governor, but am no longer. I have never behaved in a racist way and considered everybody equal. I’m have had three experiences of serious racist incidents in my life. The first was when I intervened at great personal risk to prevent a waiter in an Indian restaurant from being assaulted by 5 white guys from London. The other two were when I was threatened at knife point by a group of black youths. I hate racism.
My school governor experience led me to believe it must be wrong to target help to a specific group. It must be considered sexist and racist to provide help for white boys. It wasn’t because they were white, or boys, that I wanted to help them. It was because the group was clearly disadvantaged.
I have colleagues and friends from African, South Asian and East Asian heritage and enjoy their company. I just see people.
I thought Lady Hussey was not necessarily wrong to ask the original question of a lady in traditional African dress, but the continued questioning and tone was disgusting. I do believe Ngozi knew what she was doing though and has anti royal form.
Incidents like this get blown in to massive and divisive issues when there are far more serious racist incidents going relatively unnoticed.

One thing I won’t accept is aspersions on my character. I have my own, lived, experience and have never treated anyone badly or guided anyone to do the same. I did great work as a governor helping take one school, as chair, in a deprived area of Wigan up to outstanding rating. Please don’t question my suitability as a governor.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Oh, TH, that's possibly the least honest description of events I’ve seen?

She didn't "ask a genuine question" she asked successively -

1 “Where are you from?”​

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2 “No where do you come from?​

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3 “No, what part of Africa are YOU from?”​

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4 “Well, you must know where you’re from, I spent time in France. Where are you from?”​

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5 “No, but what nationality are you?”​

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6 “No, but where do you really come from, where do your people come from?”​

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7 “Oh I can see I am going to have a challenge getting you to say where you’re from. When did you first come here?”​

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8 “Oh, I knew we’d get there in the end, you’re Caribbean?”​

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Now, I dont care if you think it's racist or not, by the 4th time of asking, it stops being polite and starts being an interrogation.

The 7th question - "where did you first come here?" is after she's been told twice that the other woman was born in London, and the tone of it shows it's no longer polite conversation but demanding.

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Is that a genuine transcript from a witness to the conversation?

 

[domalino]

Is that a genuine transcript from a witness to the conversation?

It’s the transcript from Ngozi Fulani that hasn’t been disputed by Hussey, or any of the witnesses to the conversation so we have no reason to doubt it.

 

[Len Rum]

Oh, TH, that's possibly the least honest description of events I’ve seen?

She didn't "ask a genuine question" she asked successively -

1 “Where are you from?”​

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2 “No where do you come from?​

​

3 “No, what part of Africa are YOU from?”​

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4 “Well, you must know where you’re from, I spent time in France. Where are you from?”​

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5 “No, but what nationality are you?”​

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6 “No, but where do you really come from, where do your people come from?”​

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7 “Oh I can see I am going to have a challenge getting you to say where you’re from. When did you first come here?”​

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8 “Oh, I knew we’d get there in the end, you’re Caribbean?”​

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Now, I dont care if you think it's racist or not, by the 4th time of asking, it stops being polite and starts being an interrogation.

The 7th question - "where did you first come here?" is after she's been told twice that the other woman was born in London, and the tone of it shows it's no longer polite conversation but demanding.

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That conversation is pretty damning if true.
As far as I'm aware it's not been denied.
Also it's alleged that she moved Fulani's hair to one side so that she could see her name badge, which would make it even worse.
As I understand it Hussey attended this function as a representative of the Crown and therefore should be aware fully of the nature and responsibility of the role. Excuses being made by others on account of her age and background (i.e ' she lived through the war') are therefore IMO not relevant.

 

[bluethrunthru]

PMSL

 

[BrianW]

These days, if you are in any sort of public-facing role, you need to be extremely conscious of the current thinking on race, which is not what it was in 1956, or even in 2000. That is why I would advocate for anyone in such a role to go on a race awareness course.

It is extremely easy to give offence without meaning to do so. The world has changed so very much.

Having said that, I should mention the ancient English custom called pigeonholing. That is, you ask a series of intrusive and impertinent questions so that you can work out where someone stands on the class ladder.
E.g.
Which school?
Which uni?
What kind of house do you live in?
What job do you do?
What car do you drive?

This may be no more than a variant of the custom. Most people who have attended any sort of gathering with strangers will have faced this sort of thing. Although often, with we northerners, it does not go far, because as soon as they hear your accent they assume you live in a terraced house, own a whippet, and went to a secondary modern.

 

[Brewster's millions]

PMSL

Marmaduke. Do you think that was his real name?

 

[dobingsdobber]

PMSL

Who's leg was it?

 

[Postman Pep]

Marmaduke. Do you think that was his real name?

I thought you knew who she was?

Marmaduke Hussey, Baron Hussey of North Bradley - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I thought you knew who she was?

Marmaduke Hussey, Baron Hussey of North Bradley - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Husseys appeared in a recent episode of the Crown.

 

[Brewster's millions]

I thought you knew who she was?

Marmaduke Hussey, Baron Hussey of North Bradley - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yes, I did know that he wasn’t a fake.

Great name though.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The Husseys appeared in a recent episode of the Crown.

I don't watch it but have to ask - did Marmaduke hop onto the screen?

 

[The perfect fumble]

That conversation is pretty damning if true.
As far as I'm aware it's not been denied.
Also it's alleged that she moved Fulani's hair to one side so that she could see her name badge, which would make it even worse.
As I understand it Hussey attended this function as a representative of the Crown and therefore should be aware fully of the nature and responsibility of the role. Excuses being made by others on account of her age and background (i.e ' she lived through the war') are therefore IMO not relevant.

Take a look at this, it's an eye opener....

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ssey-resign-monarchy-race-remarks-institution

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We didn’t ask for Lady Hussey to resign. But, really, the monarchy must do better on race​

Mandu Reid

I witnessed the racist remarks, but blaming one person alone distracts from the depth and breadth of racism in that institution

... the very fact that the incident had been “witnessed” that made it significant, and forced the palace to respond swiftly (and in my view, unsatisfactorily). Unlike when the Duchess of Sussex made her accounts of royal racism, such as the “concerns” that were expressed over how dark her son’s skin might be, the palace wasn’t able to deny or deflect this time....

The funny thing is, neither Ngozi nor I wanted Hussey to receive the grand order of the boot. Ngozi didn’t even name her publicly; it was social media that did this, immediately seizing on the story as another chance to form into polarised rival camps. Instead of stepping down, Hussey should be encouraged to step up, along with senior members of the royal household. This is much bigger than one individual: blaming Hussey risks minimising and distracting from the depth and breadth of racism that is enshrined in an institution that carries the heritage of empire, slavery and inequality (we are their subjects, after all).....

Perhaps a starting point for an institution where staff think it’s OK to touch a Black woman’s hair or question her belonging would be signing up to cultural competence training. I know just the organisation to provide that. Sistah Space, the charity Ngozi runs to support African and Caribbean heritage women affected by domestic and sexual abuse, offers such courses to institutions that don’t know where to begin.

Wouldn’t it be something if Buckingham Palace asked for their help? It would certainly chime with the Queen Consort’s speech at the reception, in which she said that the starting point for responding to survivors of abuse was listening to them and believing them. Perhaps, one day, that principle could extend to Meghan too.
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Something's up.

 

[bluethrunthru]

These days, if you are in any sort of public-facing role, you need to be extremely conscious of the current thinking on race, which is not what it was in 1956, or even in 2000. That is why I would advocate for anyone in such a role to go on a race awareness course.

It is extremely easy to give offence without meaning to do so. The world has changed so very much.

Having said that, I should mention the ancient English custom called pigeonholing. That is, you ask a series of intrusive and impertinent questions so that you can work out where someone stands on the class ladder.
E.g.
Which school?
Which uni?
What kind of house do you live in?
What job do you do?
What car do you drive?

This may be no more than a variant of the custom. Most people who have attended any sort of gathering with strangers will have faced this sort of thing. Although often, with we northerners, it does not go far, because as soon as they hear your accent they assume you live in a terraced house, own a whippet, and went to a secondary modern.

The answer nowadays is always going to b e beyond pigeon holing

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Take a look at this, it's an eye opener....

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ssey-resign-monarchy-race-remarks-institution

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We didn’t ask for Lady Hussey to resign. But, really, the monarchy must do better on race​

Mandu Reid

I witnessed the racist remarks, but blaming one person alone distracts from the depth and breadth of racism in that institution

... the very fact that the incident had been “witnessed” that made it significant, and forced the palace to respond swiftly (and in my view, unsatisfactorily). Unlike when the Duchess of Sussex made her accounts of royal racism, such as the “concerns” that were expressed over how dark her son’s skin might be, the palace wasn’t able to deny or deflect this time....

The funny thing is, neither Ngozi nor I wanted Hussey to receive the grand order of the boot. Ngozi didn’t even name her publicly; it was social media that did this, immediately seizing on the story as another chance to form into polarised rival camps. Instead of stepping down, Hussey should be encouraged to step up, along with senior members of the royal household. This is much bigger than one individual: blaming Hussey risks minimising and distracting from the depth and breadth of racism that is enshrined in an institution that carries the heritage of empire, slavery and inequality (we are their subjects, after all).....

Perhaps a starting point for an institution where staff think it’s OK to touch a Black woman’s hair or question her belonging would be signing up to cultural competence training. I know just the organisation to provide that. Sistah Space, the charity Ngozi runs to support African and Caribbean heritage women affected by domestic and sexual abuse, offers such courses to institutions that don’t know where to begin.

Wouldn’t it be something if Buckingham Palace asked for their help? It would certainly chime with the Queen Consort’s speech at the reception, in which she said that the starting point for responding to survivors of abuse was listening to them and believing them. Perhaps, one day, that principle could extend to Meghan too.
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Something's up.

Megan isn't a victim of racism. She has just ended up butting heads with the royal household because her dream of being a wierd mix of Disney princess and a sort of state-funded Kardashian is at odds with the concept of duty and service that lie below the privileged facade of monarchy.

 

[HorlocksWalk]

I curtsied to her majesty and said hello, I bowed to his majesty and said hello, Shortly after I was not treated as an equal
?

 

[argyle]

For me it's the 7th (SEVENTH!) time of asking that really reveals what's going on. "Oh I see I am going to have a challenge getting you to say where you’re from" is just such a spectacularly inappropriate question to someone you don't know, and has already made it clear they don't want to discuss this with you.

And the "When did you first come here?" After already being told, twice, that she's from the UK and was born here shows she's not even listening to the answers she's getting.

I listened to a conversation about this on the radio yesterday on the way in to work, and all of the people they had on relaying their experiences said there's 2 very different ways of asking this question and you know straight away which is which. One is genuine, it's showing interest in you, and the other is interrogating you "so they know what kind of mutt you are" and feel like they can put you in your place.

I also think people are being obscenely tolerant by saying it's just bad manners - if a professional Lady in Waiting for 60 years doesn't know what good manners are, who does?

Some can't see or won't see racism even when it's as obvious as this.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I don't watch it but have to ask - did Marmaduke hop onto the screen?

There were several references to his missing leg. The character in the programme was just how I imagined him to be. Pompous, bombastic and a royal toady.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Some can't see or won't see racism even when it's as obvious as this.

It was racist and also frankly rude and plain offensive. Front page material for three days though? Really?.

 

[domalino]

Take a look at this, it's an eye opener....

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ssey-resign-monarchy-race-remarks-institution

​

We didn’t ask for Lady Hussey to resign. But, really, the monarchy must do better on race​

Mandu Reid

I witnessed the racist remarks, but blaming one person alone distracts from the depth and breadth of racism in that institution

... the very fact that the incident had been “witnessed” that made it significant, and forced the palace to respond swiftly (and in my view, unsatisfactorily). Unlike when the Duchess of Sussex made her accounts of royal racism, such as the “concerns” that were expressed over how dark her son’s skin might be, the palace wasn’t able to deny or deflect this time....

The funny thing is, neither Ngozi nor I wanted Hussey to receive the grand order of the boot. Ngozi didn’t even name her publicly; it was social media that did this, immediately seizing on the story as another chance to form into polarised rival camps. Instead of stepping down, Hussey should be encouraged to step up, along with senior members of the royal household. This is much bigger than one individual: blaming Hussey risks minimising and distracting from the depth and breadth of racism that is enshrined in an institution that carries the heritage of empire, slavery and inequality (we are their subjects, after all).....

Perhaps a starting point for an institution where staff think it’s OK to touch a Black woman’s hair or question her belonging would be signing up to cultural competence training. I know just the organisation to provide that. Sistah Space, the charity Ngozi runs to support African and Caribbean heritage women affected by domestic and sexual abuse, offers such courses to institutions that don’t know where to begin.

Wouldn’t it be something if Buckingham Palace asked for their help? It would certainly chime with the Queen Consort’s speech at the reception, in which she said that the starting point for responding to survivors of abuse was listening to them and believing them. Perhaps, one day, that principle could extend to Meghan too.
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Something's up.

Why don’t you tell us what’s up instead of continually making oblique references to some grand conspiracy and talking about a bigger picture or joining dots together.

You’ve been posting about it all day so just say what it is you’re tiptoeing around saying.