Liverpool fans throwing missiles from South Stand Level 3

What about points deductions / European bans for clubs with fans who endanger other spectators' safety through jibbing in and distribution of fake tickets?n
 
jrb said:
BBC News now.

A Hillsborough Family Association member wants clubs to be fined or points deducted for chants like always the victims by their fans.

In the report the BBC specifically linked the 'always the victims' chant to 'Hillsborough'.

Munich chants by Liverpool fans were mentioned as well in the report.

Watch the BBC news, the report should be shown again after 9am.
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So now Liverpool want to control what fans can and can’t sing at football games? Let’s see how much traction this one gets…
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
That’s a possibility of course and maybe time will tell.

Like I said, I’d be amazed if the CCTV didn’t at least raise sufficient grounds for suspicion, given the object that was thrown, and the fact that the time and (I expect) the general area it came from would be readily identifiable. It’s hardly needle in a haystack territory.
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Simple fact is that if they were able to identify the City fan who did this: https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...-news/moment-madness-landed-city-fan-13694742
then they can just as easily identify the Liverpool fan who chucked that pint pot full of coins. As you say, they know pretty much exactly where it was lobbed from in the away section. If there's CCTV footage of the offender throwing it, they'll have the row and seat number. Liverpool FC will be able to advise who that ticket was sold to. Granted, there may be caveats here - fans don't necessarily always sit/stand in the seat they're allocated (often I'll move around a stand at both home and away games and stand with my mates), or the ticket might have been passed on to someone else to use (in that case, the original purchaser needs to be reprimanded if they can't find the offender).
 
Dirty Harry said:
If that was the case, it would confirm to me the club are completely out of touch with our fan base and have a very limited knowledge of the dippers fan base bordering on naive.
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I think that sadly the club confirmed that with the open letter /email thing and the decision to put the away fans in that section:-(
 
Dirty Harry said:
If that was the case, it would confirm to me the club are completely out of touch with our fan base and have a very limited knowledge of the dippers fan base bordering on naive.
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Why would anyone believe that was the case?

Why would some posters believe the club is involved in a conspiracy with GMP and Liverpool to cover up the crime and shield Liverpool from bad PR rather than accept it might take a couple of weeks to review all the footage and identify people who could be covering their faces or be in the wrong seat or in the aisle or be obstructed by fans around them, gather witness statements etc. and then arrest them and publicise it?
 
domalino said:
Why would anyone believe that was the case?

Why would some posters believe the club is involved in a conspiracy with GMP and Liverpool to cover up the crime and shield Liverpool from bad PR rather than accept it might take a couple of weeks to review all the footage and identify people who could be covering their faces or be in the wrong seat or in the aisle or be obstructed by fans around them, gather witness statements etc. and then arrest them and publicise it?
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Not a conspiracy but it took “the Club” 10 minutes to condemn our fan base for a few piss cans singing during a minute’s silence, no City fan knew about in advance. That was the FA Cup semi final. Can you not see the inconsistent treatment?
 
domalino said:
Why would anyone believe that was the case?

Why would some posters believe the club is involved in a conspiracy with GMP and Liverpool to cover up the crime and shield Liverpool from bad PR rather than accept it might take a couple of weeks to review all the footage and identify people who could be covering their faces or be in the wrong seat or in the aisle or be obstructed by fans around them, gather witness statements etc. and then arrest them and publicise it?
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The lack of publicity seems like it’s being dampened rather than trying to solve it.

As someone said they may be trying to de-escalate tension by not making a big deal of it. City fans feel this again shows 1 rule for 1 & a rule for another. There is evidence of this occurring in politics & policing which is often jumped on by opposing views.

Do you think clubs don’t have relationships with senior police?

I’ve known Police take up senior positions at clubs on generous contracts after investigations.

Shhhh….

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

MUFC hire former GMP officer to be first counter-terrorism chief

The former GMP inspector will work alongside the club's senior security team after a series of security lapses
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I think that sadly the club confirmed that with the open letter /email thing and the decision to put the away fans in that section:-(
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Is it not part of a wider pattern though. For example, when “the Club” accepted a vastly reduced ticket allocation for the swamp in the Cup and there were rumours the OSC had threatened to break off relations.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Not a conspiracy but it took “the Club” 10 minutes to condemn our fan base for a few piss cans singing during a minute’s silence, no City fan knew about in advance. That was the FA Cup semi final. Can you not see the inconsistent treatment?
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why are you comparing a police investigation and a pr statement on social media as if they’re the same thing?

That’s why you’re finding inconsistency, because you’re ignoring the fact the club immediately condemned the Liverpool fans behaviour and have instead decided that someone being arrested is the point of comparison.
 
domalino said:
why are you comparing a police investigation and a pr statement on social media as if they’re the same thing?

That’s why you’re finding inconsistency, because you’re ignoring the fact the club immediately condemned the Liverpool fans behaviour and have instead decided that someone being arrested is the point of comparison.
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Why has the father of the 15 year old girl only thanked match going Blues, first aiders and the CEO of LFC?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I think that sadly the club confirmed that with the open letter /email thing and the decision to put the away fans in that section:-(
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Tbh I get to a degree that the club want to be seen as trying to dampen things down a bit mate, they can hardly be seen to be encouraging it which if they refused to cooperate etc then they likely would, I just think they got some of it very wrong, my general point though is that us fans knew exactly what was going to happen, if we knew, then the club should have had a good idea too and put certain measures in place, they didn’t, which says to me they don’t have a great knowledge of Liverpool fans and any history between the two cities ?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I get the feeling that at present the emphasis is on dampening down off pitch rivalry between the two clubs and downplaying stuff like this in the interests of improving relations or not stoking trouble between the fans? I'd imagine letting this incident pass may even be part of that as I'd be surprised if we don't have the ticketing and CCTV tech to pin down the culprits.
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Perhaps not so much downplaying but more not giving the media hourly updates as they're as guilty as anyone at stoking those fires?

Maybe it's still going ahead quietly without needing to keep everyone updated constantly.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Why has the father of the 15 year old girl only thanked match going Blues, first aiders and the CEO of LFC?
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If it’s the intention of the club/police to let this die down in order to de-escalate the growing tension between the clubs the girl’s father could pursue a private prosecution and request those tapes. That would be be even more embarrassing for the club if it showed a clear image of the culprit. For that reason, I don’t believe the club can conceal or fail in its duty to the fans. Maybe he’s waiting to see how it pans out?
 
Centurions said:
Perhaps not so much downplaying but more not giving the media hourly updates as they're as guilty as anyone at stoking those fires?

Maybe it's still going ahead quietly without needing to keep everyone updated constantly.
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Why do you think fans of LFC keep their perceived injustices, in the media spotlight? Why did the father of the 15 year old girl speak to the press?
 
The slaughtered lamb said:
If it’s the intention of the club/police to let this die down in order to de-escalate the growing tension between the clubs the girl’s father could pursue a private prosecution and request those tapes. That would be be even more embarrassing for the club if it showed a clear image of the culprit. For that reason, I don’t believe the club can conceal or fail in its duty to the fans. Maybe he’s waiting to see how it pans out?
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The footage I have seen showed a dipper fan throwing things into the tier below but I do not think it can nail him as the one that threw the glass that injured the young girl. I am encouraged by the statement from the girl's father about how the club and GMP are handling this matter. The guy seems sensible and not the type to be bought off.

What happened to the "It was a collection for the coach driver which accidently fell and the person doing it reported the incident to a steward"? - did this actually happen or was it a scouse-washing fantasy?
 
The slaughtered lamb said:
If it’s the intention of the club/police to let this die down in order to de-escalate the growing tension between the clubs the girl’s father could pursue a private prosecution and request those tapes. That would be be even more embarrassing for the club if it showed a clear image of the culprit. For that reason, I don’t believe the club can conceal or fail in its duty to the fans. Maybe he’s waiting to see how it pans out?
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Maybe the club and his family are in contact and he's happy (relatively speaking) with what's happening. Has he said anything recently on social media?

Edit: ahh, just saw Doms post.
 
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