Liverpool fans throwing missiles from South Stand Level 3

[J.G.Blue.]

No, but what I can do is let you have a van full of red shirts with Champions 2013-14 printed on them for a bargain basement price.

Er thanks but no thanks :-)

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

I often wonder how much the liverpool echo’s obsession and constant digs at City has helped inflame their hatred of us and the associated abuse.

The same could be said of lfc, from the owner down to the manager. Always have something negative to say about City usually just before we play at theirs to whip the scruffs into a frenzy. Never say anything negative before they play at ours though. These cunts know exactly what they are doing, and there would have been no bs joint statement if we were away last night, guaranteed.

 

[117 M34]

Final, final post as I saw this and couldn't help but respond.

I had family and friends in the thick of it and know the impact on them. This isn't just football banter to many people.

If I started mouthing off about death to someone else who had been affected by it, even without the horrific circumstances of hillsborough, I would expect a smack in the mouth.

I'll leave it there.

You may not be aware but the east (and south) side of Manchester are predominantly city areas, with the North and west mainly being united areas.
Harold shipman killed around 250 people in east Manchester. Therefore, it's highly likely that many people who might attend a game at the Etihad had a relative and /or friend who was killed by shipman.
And Liverpool fans sing his name like some kind of hero.

 

[There is a Light]

Always the victims is a shithouse way of taunting us about Hillsborough and you know it.

It’s really not. Part of the problem is that you all think this. I deplore any singing about Hillsbrough but I think your club and fans act like victims on a whole range of things, prime example acting like downright scumbags last night then bringing this and poverty songs into it. Just try owning it. For once.

 

[JASR]

Always the victims is a shithouse way of taunting us about Hillsborough and you know it.

Steau Bucharest flags waved, is a great way to taunt 39 dead Italians, whilst supposedly laughing at the elder and classier club of the City.
Please do describe how this is not related to anything… and so further the snowballing concept of ‘always the victims’.
Until ‘you’ Liverpool the club, and Liverpool the fans, take ownership of the crap done - Munich chants, Heysel, coach attacks (not just City), spitting (aside: how is carragher still a pundit), missile attacks, Stanley knifes in stanley park, fountain pushing, jibbing in (for ever and a day, and clearly Paris), fake tickets (Paris again)… then any deflection by yourselves just amplifies the growing ‘always the victims’.

It’s not rocket science, take responsibility for your past behaviour, acknowledge it, respect it into the future, don’t talk absolute bollox about ‘being different’, ‘European royalty’, istree, ‘socialist principles’, ‘immaculate fan behaviour’ and finally call out and ensure the media are called out for sweeping reprehensible behaviour under the carpet.

 

[Withnail]

You saying that - incorrectly - is EXACTLY the point of the song. Hillsborough was absolutely not your fans' fault. You were the victims of a perfect storm of incompetence and a long-term, determined attempt to cover up those failures. While there's still idiots who trot out the Sun's line, most know the true circumstances now.

But your fans have taken that appalling set of circumstances and overlaid it onto everything that's happened to you since, real or imagined.

Heysel - another combination of failures of officialdom but the defining act of that tragedy was the victims being killed when that wall collapsed, after your hooligans element had charged them. "But they threw things at us" or the ludicrous "I heard a lot of Southern accents" from your own. CEO or chairman, which led him to claim it was Chelsea hooligans. I don't know if he ever expressed contrition for that statement or not, but it was a classic case of "always the victims", being blamed for the mythical wrongdoing of another group of fans.

The whole Thatcher/anti-establishment thing (which is relatively new in my experience, like the last few years). "We boo the National Anthem because of Thatcher's attitude to Merseyside". But Thatcher wasn't the Queen, or even a member of the Royal Family. And many places suffered far worse than Liverpool, particularly the coal-mining areas. Again "always the victims".

The "Allez, allez, allez" song, particularly the line "battered in the streets". It clearly refers to just that one night in Kyiv, nothing else. Yet you made it about Sean Coxm then created a media storm when the City players were heard to sing it on the flight back from Brighton. Again, always the victims.

This ridiculous thought transference that "We were justified in throwing flares and coins because someone (probably an Everton fan) wrote the word 'kopites' on a toilet door".

You rightly condemn the 'Sun was right' chant yet feel quite justified in mocking the hundreds of victims of mass murderer Harold Shipman. You mocked the Munich air disaster (as did quite a few City fans until we stamped it out) yet get upset when other fans sing 'Feed the scousers'.

Those, and other, things are what the song is about, not Hillsborough.

Always the fucking victims.

Take a bow sir, brilliant post.

 

[argyle]

Rawk in meltdown over Hillsborough chants. Don't think they realise no Hillsborough chants were sung last night.

They think "Always the Victims," is about Hillsborough.

Even though it's been explained to them countless times it isn't.

 

[BuryBlue1977]

No insults from me.

And you have tried to engage with the question of why Liverpool are the most hated fanbase in England. So kudos for that. But really, you think the country doesn't like Liverpool fans because of this Scouse not English nonsense? People laugh at Liverpool fans for that, they don't hate you for it. You aren't the only city that has been treated badly by successive governments.

But let's talk about death. When did you get an aversion to celebrating death in tragedies? Was it after 1958? I don't think so with all the Munich banners and chants. Around 1985 perhaps? Naah, I have seen pictures from Heysel with Munich banners and Liverpool players casually talking to fans over them. After Bradford maybe? After Heysel? Nope, I have reports here of Munich chants after 1985. Would it possibly be after Hillsborough? You would think so, wouldn't you. But no. (Edit: You understand the Steaua Bucharest reference, I suppose. Yet you, to this day, use a SB banner to taunt Everton fans with the effect of the death of 39 fans at Heysel, for which Liverpool fans were responsible, on their European ambitions. Finally...) You have heard of Harold Shipman? Sentenced in 2000, up to 250 victims. Pretty bad. And yet you still, to this day, have a Harold Shipman chant. So when did this aversion to celebrating death actually start? Or is it just switched on and off as the situation requires.

You see, one of the main reasons you are hated as a fanbase is your hypocrisy, not any socio-economic bullshit.

Congratulations my friend, you are the winner of post of the year. Excellently written, I doth my cap. If only there were a triple like button!

 

[Dodgy Gangster]

It's a balancing act.... we mods often get bashed when deleting posts with cries of "what happened to free speech?"
As long as posts from other fans are not abusive, threatening or on the wind up then they can remain. The report button is there for anyone to bring a post (or poster) to the mods attention.

Fair enough. It’s just that on the subject of their fans it’s not as if any new evidence has come to light to change our perception of them so when one of them pipes up droning on and on about stuff that blues overwhelmingly disagree with at some point tensions are bound to rise to the surface. I think it is blatant wumming, they aren’t on here thinking they can convince blues to agree with them by reasoned argument they’re on here to create disharmony.

 

[117 M34]

Steau Bucharest flags waved, is a great way to taunt 39 dead Italians, whilst supposedly laughing at the elder and classier club of the City.
Please do describe how this is not related to anything… and so further the snowballing concept of ‘always the victims’.
Until ‘you’ Liverpool the club, and Liverpool the fans, take ownership of the crap done - Munich chants, Heysel, coach attacks (not just City), spitting (aside: how is carragher still a pundit), missile attacks, Stanley knifes in stanley park, fountain pushing, jibbing in (for ever and a day, and clearly Paris), fake tickets (Paris again)… then any deflection by yourselves just amplifies the growing ‘always the victims’.

It’s not rocket science, take responsibility for your past behaviour, acknowledge it, respect it into the future, don’t talk absolute bollox about ‘being different’, ‘European royalty’, istree, ‘socialist principles’, ‘immaculate fan behaviour’ and finally call out and ensure the media are called out for sweeping reprehensible behaviour under the carpet.

Don't forget the Turkish waiter.