Arsenal Thread - 2022/23

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No one has a god given right to top 4 as we have seen but historically Arsenal have always been regarded as one of the top 3 clubs in English football. Only United and Liverpool have won more league titles so it’s wrong to assume we owe it all to Wenger.
I was just making the point that Wenger is a hypocrite
The top 3 clubs in England -“historically “
One has one league title in 33 years the other hasn’t won the league for 10 years and the bronze medalist of the “big 3” won most of their titles in the 1930’s plus a couple late 40’s early 50’s.And has come up empty handed the last 19 years.
Past History, yes. They can keep dwelling on that. Modern history NO, not big 3 by a number of measures. You know full well who’s taking up that spot on the podium.
And we’re just warming up too.
 
Honestly, I don’t get this fascination on here with AFTV and their rent a gob ‘pundits’. Most Arsenal fans treat it rightly either by ignoring it or with contempt. It’s not popular with the players or the club. In fact, many fans are openly hostile to it. I never watch it because it’s piss poor and boring so don’t assume Arsenal fans are avid followers of AFTV…quite the opposite though I do recognise it’s become a bit of a cult following amongst other clubs’ fans.
How do you know if you never watch it?
 
Henry Norris says hi
ah yes... driving force in the bribery and corruption that got arsenal into the top flight... later banned from the game for making illegal inducement payments to prospective players.


What a wholesome club they are!
 
Wenger shopped in the bargain basement at Arsenal. Anelka, Vieira, Pires, Henry were all signed for modest fees. In many ways buying Anelka for 500k and selling for 20m literally bought the club a new training ground. Plus it was Ferguson and Man United always breaking transfer records. Wenger was notorious for being tight and not wanting to spend. Cesc, RVP, Adebayor purchased for 4m combined, sold for 75m. Anelka bought for 500k, sold for 20m in 1999. The amount of times he sold players for multiples of 10-20 times what he paid is a long list.

Its also incredible how you try to portray Pep as this down on his luck up against the odds manager who need to use all his intellect to overcome the 'odds'. The odds are always in Pep's favour. Your squad is jacked with individuals who cost 50m plus. Pep's always had the rolly royce jobs. Inheriting the Barcelona team than won the CL a few years prior with Rijkaard, then to Bayern were its probably more difficult to come 2nd than 1st. And yes the modern premier league is competitive, but you still have the edge over the rest, bar United.

Top manager. But lets face it, he has never known adversity of budget restraints, the set backs of players getting cherry picked, having to sell to buy ect. He has never had a conversation that goes like this. Pep "I want to buy this player" Chairmen: "Sorry Pep, we dont have the resources"
Another one of those absurd comments suggesting that Pep "could never hack it as manager at Burnley." Well I don't think Leonardo Da Vinci was any good at painting garden sheds. Pep didn't inherit the Barcelona team he developed it, starting with the B team. Messi has described him as a genius.
 
ah yes... driving force in the bribery and corruption that got arsenal into the top flight... later banned from the game for making illegal inducement payments to prospective players.


What a wholesome club they are!
You forgot to mention poaching Herbert Chapman from Huddersfield and bankrolling them to their first ever trophy.
 
Wenger shopped in the bargain basement at Arsenal. Anelka, Vieira, Pires, Henry were all signed for modest fees. In many ways buying Anelka for 500k and selling for 20m literally bought the club a new training ground. Plus it was Ferguson and Man United always breaking transfer records. Wenger was notorious for being tight and not wanting to spend. Cesc, RVP, Adebayor purchased for 4m combined, sold for 75m. Anelka bought for 500k, sold for 20m in 1999. The amount of times he sold players for multiples of 10-20 times what he paid is a long list.

Its also incredible how you try to portray Pep as this down on his luck up against the odds manager who need to use all his intellect to overcome the 'odds'. The odds are always in Pep's favour. Your squad is jacked with individuals who cost 50m plus. Pep's always had the rolly royce jobs. Inheriting the Barcelona team than won the CL a few years prior with Rijkaard, then to Bayern were its probably more difficult to come 2nd than 1st. And yes the modern premier league is competitive, but you still have the edge over the rest, bar United.

Top manager. But lets face it, he has never known adversity of budget restraints, the set backs of players getting cherry picked, having to sell to buy ect. He has never had a conversation that goes like this. Pep "I want to buy this player" Chairmen: "Sorry Pep, we dont have the resources"
Just 2 outfield players started the Rijkard final in 2006 and the Guardiola final in 2009. He transformed that Barcelona team, who'd finished below Villareal the year before, in a matter of months, becoming the first manager ever to win a continental treble in his first season.

It is an utter myth that he inherited an all-conquering outfit.

By the way, in the last 5 years Arsenal's net transfer spend has been £440m, whilst City's has been £214m.

 
No one has a god given right to top 4 as we have seen but historically Arsenal have always been regarded as one of the top 3 clubs in English football. Only United and Liverpool have won more league titles so it’s wrong to assume we owe it all to Wenger.
Historically the world was flat, the Sun orbited the earth and Rome was a great empire. Means fuck all today
 
He died in 1934
You said you don't owe it all to Wenger which is correct as he was bankrolled by your second Sugar Daddy.
Henry Norris was your first yet Wenger, your owners and a significant number of your sanctimonious followers bitch about outside investment and oil money from the comfort of the Emirates Stadium.
 
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You said you don't owe it all to Wenger which is correct as he was bankrolled by your second Sugar Daddy.
Henry Norris was your first yet Wenger, your owners and a significant number of your sanctimonious followers bitch about outside investment and oil money from the comfort of the Emirates Stadium.

I don’t complain and my stance on that is clear for all on here from my posts on the matter of FFP etc. I really don’t recognise your point about Arsenal fans moaning about your financial strength which has given you success. There might have been some back in the day but I don’t see that now - maybe you can provide evidence?

As for Norris and Fiszman…ancient history.

Why not focus instead on the here and now. You’ve a lot to be happy about…favourites to win your 3rd title in a row and likely to add the CL to that as well. Maybe you’ll do the quadruple.
 
I don’t complain and my stance on that is clear for all on here from my posts on the matter of FFP etc. I really don’t recognise your point about Arsenal fans moaning about your financial strength which has given you success. There might have been some back in the day but I don’t see that now - maybe you can provide evidence?

As for Norris and Fiszman…ancient history.

Why not focus instead on the here and now. You’ve a lot to be happy about…favourites to win your 3rd title in a row and likely to add the CL to that as well. Maybe you’ll do the quadruple.
Maybe we will
 
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I don’t complain and my stance on that is clear for all on here from my posts on the matter of FFP etc. I really don’t recognise your point about Arsenal fans moaning about your financial strength which has given you success. There might have been some back in the day but I don’t see that now - maybe you can provide evidence?

As for Norris and Fiszman…ancient history.

Why not focus instead on the here and now. You’ve a lot to be happy about…favourites to win your 3rd title in a row and likely to add the CL to that as well. Maybe you’ll do the quadruple.
If you read my post I didnt say you were complaining.
You said that historically you don't owe everything to Wenger and I pointed out that Wengers success isn't the only successful part of your history made possible by outside investment.
Without Norris you wouldn't have bribed your way into Division 1, you wouldn't have had Higbury and wouldn't have any of the success in the 30s.
No disrespect to Charton or Millwall but without Norris your local Derby would be a lower league encounter with one of those rather than a top flight derby against Spurs.
Without Fiszman Wenger wouldn't have had the success he had and don't get me wrong I was glad at the time as it helped prevent our league becoming uncompetitive yet we have a bit of outside investment to kick start us and we are met with vitriol from the same clubs who benefitted themselves from outside investment.
To dismiss Norris and Fiszman as ancient history is laughable.
Just like the other entitled red shirts, sustained success built on outside investment which I don't have a problem with yet a lot of their followers who let's face it, only started following them because they were successful resent anyone else having a bit of success.
The likes of your media shills such as Dixon, Parlour and Keown ( I thought I was viewing AFCTV instead of BT when he commented on our win at your place last season) never miss an opportunity to bang on about money despite the fact that Arsenal have spent more than City over the last 5 year's with less income due to a lack of UCL qualification and when you have followers like Alan Davies making racist videos a lot of your followers lap this up.
 
The Arsenal fans in here are generally decent but they are falling into one or two dipper traps with all the giddiness. Petulance from the team/management showing a passion to win every game is one; the other so far is the moving target that is history. Always been top three club, but don't talk about previous investments in the club. That was too long ago.

Keep playing nice you guys. Don't ever go full dipper.
 
The Arsenal fans in here are generally decent but they are falling into one or two dipper traps with all the giddiness. Petulance from the team/management showing a passion to win every game is one; the other so far is the moving target that is history. Always been top three club, but don't talk about previous investments in the club. That was too long ago.

Keep playing nice you guys. Don't ever go full dipper.
Were ahead of schedule in our development. We are still a very young team with more room for improvement. We will get better organically as Saka, Saliba, Martinelli, Odegaard, ect continue to level up, as well as future signings. However because we are ahead of schedule in the rebuild, some Arsenal fans still say things like 'happy with top 4', and thats great and all, but that cant be the mentality of the club and manager. And based on Arteta's behavior, it isnt.

Where will 'playing nice' get us? I fully support Arteta's antics as his behavior is indicative of a manager who not only doesn't likes to lose, but doesn't like to not win.

The fact Arteta is getting all this negative press is evidence he and Arsenal are being taken more seriously. I still remember the later Wenger years, where he lost his competitive edge - can you split Wengers tenure at Arsenal from 97-08 to 08-18, with the later years being an era were rival managers praised him but never took him seriously as a threat. In the early era he and Ferguson hated each other with a passion.

Arteta is building a new Arsenal. One that cant/wont be pushed over, an Arsenal that aims to fear no one, and for this reason Arteta is going to clash with rival managers a lot more.
 
Were ahead of schedule in our development. We are still a very young team with more room for improvement. We will get better organically as Saka, Saliba, Martinelli, Odegaard, ect continue to level up, as well as future signings. However because we are ahead of schedule in the rebuild, some Arsenal fans still say things like 'happy with top 4', and thats great and all, but that cant be the mentality of the club and manager. And based on Arteta's behavior, it isnt.

Where will 'playing nice' get us? I fully support Arteta's antics as his behavior is indicative of a manager who not only doesn't likes to lose, but doesn't like to not win.

The fact Arteta is getting all this negative press is evidence he and Arsenal are being taken more seriously. I still remember the later Wenger years, where he lost his competitive edge - can you split Wengers tenure at Arsenal from 97-08 to 08-18, with the later years being an era were rival managers praised him but never took him seriously as a threat. In the early era he and Ferguson hated each other with a passion.

Arteta is building a new Arsenal. One that cant/wont be pushed over, an Arsenal that aims to fear no one, and for this reason Arteta is going to clash with rival managers a lot more.

:)

I don't have a problem with Arsenal as a club, apart from one or two letters. Arsenal in the top four means one of Liverpool or United out. So I wish you the best of luck, apart from the obvious matches.

You may believe what you are writing, and you may even be right. But you are in a City forum when we have been absolutely blasted for more than a decade because of who our owners are, who our managers have been and even more incredibly, who our fans are no matter how successful we have been and how good our football. You think you are getting bad press? Have a look at ours.

Also we have had to put up with assholes like Ferguson and Klopp growling and gurning on the touchline then growling and smiling at a subservient press for so long that we can recognise the behaviour when we see it. Your managers and players can be passionate and motivated to win without being petulant and crass. On here, at least, try to take that into account.

I mentioned history and petulance from the dipper side. Don't fall into the trap from the other dark side: Not arrogant, just better.

And best of luck for most of the rest of the season. :)
 
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