Ref Watch

cheekybids said:
Also we’ve talked about atmosphere, surely the VAR screen adds to that.

Maybe ask the question differently. Why won’t 2 of the richest clubs in the world comply?
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Firstly they're not var screens, they are just simply "screens", used mostly for advertising and the like, and showing replays of important moments during the game (excluding var though).

All it does for those 2 clubs is deprive their fans seeing replays of important moments, and I'm not sure it's a "rule" about having them anyway.

As I don't go to either ground, I couldn't care less, I would if it had any affect on var, but they have to have a var screen for the official, and they do, sadly it seems to be rarely used, but that's a different conversation.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s still fairly simply

But ones where there’s a massive f*ck up like Rashford one - that’s where it seems messy or when the offside is really fractional

It shows how hard it is to be a lino and why we need VAR as we know for a fact how often Lino’s flag wrong nowadays - it’s being highlighted by VAR more than ever
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VAR is fucked up for sure. The non-penalty when Gundo was fouled in the box against Wolves is another example. VAR needs to be improved.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
VAR is fucked up for sure. The non-penalty when Gundo was fouled in the box against Wolves is another example. VAR needs to be improved.
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Don’t disagree- it needs to improve, it’s not been great and there’s loads of controversy

But like you mentioned, there is hope it can always find ways to improve

Unlike the pre VAR officiating
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
So, correct me if I'm wrong.

You watch City games and believe that we're cheated upon - if not constantly, then I guess often? - occasionally? - when important? Beats me how often you think this is ongoing... Some sort of anti-City criminal referring bias is occurring, which hasn't been brought to justice... I guess is your belief.

Does the above capture your viewpoint?
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You have one view, I have another. Enjoy that, I do, so no need to get personal.

Enjoy your afternoon, I need to sleep.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It’s still fairly simply

But ones where there’s a massive f*ck up like Rashford one - that’s where it seems messy or when the offside is really fractional

It shows how hard it is to be a lino and why we need VAR as we know for a fact how often Lino’s flag wrong nowadays - it’s being highlighted by VAR more than ever
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So explain the thinking around Rashfords being allowed ?
 
cleavers said:
Firstly they're not var screens, they are just simply "screens", used mostly for advertising and the like, and showing replays of important moments during the game (excluding var though).

All it does for those 2 clubs is deprive their fans seeing replays of important moments, and I'm not sure it's a "rule" about having them anyway.

As I don't go to either ground, I couldn't care less, I would if it had any affect on var, but they have to have a var screen for the official, and they do, sadly it seems to be rarely used, but that's a different conversation.
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So no reason for a rule to have them then.
 
Whomever the ref for City v. Wolves - he was weak from the get-go - was it Johnathan Moss? Whatever...

At any rate this ref starts off by calling a bunch of ticky-tacky non-fouls upsetting both sides.

Then when Gundo is clearly fouled in the box for a penalty no-call. VAR apparently didn't even ask the ref to review the play - another fuck up.

I don't think that this is anti-city bias at all - it's just another example where refs - and in particular - VAR - need to improve. Rule changes probably need to occur to facilitate this.

Meanwhile Moss (assuming it was him in charge of our match) - is fucking wank. Needs to undergo instruction/improvement - hate to see him in charge of future P/L matches.
 
cheekybids said:
So explain the thinking around Rashfords being allowed ?
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I’ve mentioned last few pages what a complete f*ck up that was and it was the totally wrong decision

There’s little point highlighting bad decisions and asking to explain as it’s always going to happen

Those links i posted of Man Utd fans in uproar over decisions that’s gone against them - would you really have the energy to explain why those fans are wrong ? Each and every one of those decisions are clearly just bad/wrong/marginal outcomes by the refs that have gone against them
 
BlueHammer85 said:
But what are you actually doing to highlight this ‘corruption’ aside from venting on a forum ?

Every PL club has fans moaning on forums about refs/VAR decisions and feel aggrieved it goes against them all the time

Man Utd fans angered by VAR decisions

www.goal.com

Man Utd fans angered by VAR as Man City & Bernardo Silva awarded controversial penalty a week after Sancho drama | Goal.com UK

Manchester United fans disagreed with Craig Pawson's decision to award Manchester City a penalty against Brighton, likening the challenge to one on Jadon Sancho
www.goal.com

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

"Clear foul" - Man Utd fans react to let-off as early Arsenal goal chalked off

The Gunners thought they had taken an early lead in today's crunch clash at Old Trafford but a foul in the build-up saw Gabriel Martinelli's effort ruled out.
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

'Robbery!' — Manchester United fans fume at VAR call for Real Sociedad penalty

Man United had a controversial penalty awarded against them in the second half of their match against Real Sociedad
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Many more examples for all clubs

You’re literally doing the same as other fans for all clubs that think officials are against them

If everyone actually boycotted the game because of this ‘corruption’ then no, they wouldn’t win and it would seriously have to be looked into

Until then it just carry’s on - fans for all clubs moaning about refs decisions and calling it ‘biased, ‘corrupt etc
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Crowd out the noise, make it busy. Perfect way to allow corruption & a compliant press to go along.

Of course everyone complains but don’t tell me we are not refereed differently.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I’ve mentioned last few pages what a complete f*ck up that was and it was the totally wrong decision

There’s little point highlighting bad decisions and asking to explain as it’s always going to happen

Those links i posted of Man Utd fans in uproar over decisions that’s gone against them - would you really have the energy to explain why those fans are wrong ? Each and every one of those decisions are clearly just bad/wrong/marginal outcomes by the refs that have gone against them
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There’s no excuse for Rashford & in the highest profile game of the week which likely impacts the title no action was taken against the referee.
 
cleavers said:
Like I said is there a "rule" to have big screens, or just a rule to have a var screen for the official ? Which both have.
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I'm with you - transparency should be a part of the game.

AI will change this all though - 4 years out is my prediction - possibly 10 at the most.
 
cheekybids said:
There’s no excuse for Rashford & in the highest profile game of the week which likely impacts the title no action was taken against the referee.
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No action has ever been taken against a referee for a bad decision like that.

You know there is clubs fighting for their survivals and struggling to stay afloat financially in the lower leagues ?- yet god awful refereeing decisions can cost them relegation etc

The impacts of poor decisions are felt for every club - luckily for Man City since the introduction of VAR you have had your most successful period ever and completely dominating English football

If you are being refereed differently then they are making a big bodge job over it
 
BlueHammer85 said:
No action has ever been taken against a referee for a bad decision like that.

You know there is clubs fighting for their survivals and struggling to stay afloat financially in the lower leagues ?- yet god awful refereeing decisions can cost them relegation etc

The impacts of poor decisions are felt for every club - luckily for Man City since the introduction of VAR you have had your most successful period ever and completely dominating English football

If you are being refereed differently then they are making a big bodge job over it
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That’s not true. They never admit it but even Kevin Friend was dropped after awarding the Dippers a dubious pen v Palace.
 
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