Ref Watch

[Bluearmy]

yes they do normally at corners nearly always for the defenders and almost never against a goal keeper even though they make contact with the opposition player at nearly every corner, while Fraser is not required to take evasive action he still decided to go where the ball was not.

No he didn't, he was running and Ederson took him out. Take the blue tinted specs off.

 

[Bluearmy]

Nor does Ederson need to take evasive action to avoid a challenge from Fraser - so how do you decide which is which?

Ederson took him out. Fraser did not take Ederson out. Easy decision, only one player committed a foul and that wasn't Fraser

 

[Bluearmy]

The refs have to consider if the player has any chance of creating or scoring a goal. In the Ederson example the player had zero chance of scoring or creating a goal as Walker had full control of the situation so why would he be awarded a free shot at goal 12 yards out for an off-the-ball situation?

Wrong. They do not have to take that into consideration at all.

Example below of an off the ball incident where 2 players from the same team get sent off.



Also it was Cancelo not Walker

 

[lasereyes]

I completely agree, the decisions we get are the ones there's not really much to argue about. The only genuine 50/50 call we have had in our favour I can think of was the Odergaard penalty shout in the Arsenal game.

Have you looked at the freeze frame yet?

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Wrong. They do not have to take that into consideration at all.

Example below of an off the ball incident where 2 players from the same team get sent off.



Also it was Cancelo not Walker

lol ask any ref what goes through his head when deciding if a penalty should be given and I guarantee you it will be part of his thoughts. Your vid doesn't work but I'm guessing it's a video of violent conduct rather than a mis timed challenge. Oh and grow up with you Cancelo/Walker comment

 

[JRockBlues]

fuck me anyone see that tackle on harwood bellis and not even a yellow i dont think.hes lucky hes not in hospital with his leg in 2 pieces refs are fucking horrific

Only a throw-in...

 

[Chris in London]

Have you looked at the freeze frame yet?

No, but you are arguing a different point. We got the benefit of a 50/50 call because in real time it's a call that the referee might well have given because he doesn't get to view it in freeze frame. He might have given it, and if he had it is doubtful VAR would have overturned it.

 

[bluenova]

I As a season ticket holder and paying in advance,I pay for 90minutes football,and at the moment we get between 60/65 mins.I blame the refs,Keepers taking for ever over goal kicks,start booking them from the first minute,same with ball in hand,going walk about,book them.free kicks why are refs so involved,opposition players know the rules,they are athletes 2/3 seconds and still within 10 yards book them,same at corners.Throw ins,hold on whilst I read a chapter of War &Peace, Players with “injuries” shall waitoff the pitch for the amount of time they have waisted,including who ever committed the foul.The refs in 2/3 games will stop all the liberty taken ,and perhaps we might get close to 90 mins,we pay for.If only the refs had the BALLS.
Sorry for rant pissed off with gutless refs.

The good news for you is that someone crunched the numbers for the Premier League and this season the ball is in play longer in City games than any others - and by some distance.

City were 60mins+, whereas the next highest were 57m and Villa Fans got just 49mins!

I suspect we notice it more because we control so much of the possession - a few seasons ago we had a game against Chelsea with 68 mins of play, whereas a Stoke/Watford game the same season had 42mins. The difference is likely that less controlled/scrappy games have more fouls, more passes going out of play etc.

Ultimately, as a City fan I wouldn't worry about time wasting, as we have easily enough of the ball to make chances and win a match.

 

[Cassandra]

Ederson took him out. Fraser did not take Ederson out. Easy decision, only one player committed a foul and that wasn't Fraser

Well that's your opinion and that's fine but the only fact is that Ederson and Fraser collided,

If you will indulge me, perhaps I can suggest some hypothetical situations that might have occurred had Cancello not been involved at all and the ball had continued on its trajectory?

Scenario A - Ederson catches the ball and then Ederson and Fraser collide.
Scenario B - Ederson parries the ball towards the corner flag and then Ederson and Fraser collide.
Scenario C - Ederson misses the ball which continues moving forward and Fraser and Ederson collide as Fraser tries to jump over Ederson.
Scenario D - Fraser plays the ball first and then collides with Ederson
Scenario E - Ederson and Fraser reach the ball simultaneously and collide.

What would be your decision in each of these cases and how likely do you think each scenario would have been had Cancello not intervened?

 

[halfcenturyup]

Well that's your opinion and that's fine but the only fact is that Ederson and Fraser collided,

If you will indulge me, perhaps I can suggest some hypothetical situations that might have occurred had Cancello not been involved at all and the ball had continued on its trajectory?

Scenario A - Ederson catches the ball and then Ederson and Fraser collide.
Scenario B - Ederson parries the ball towards the corner flag and then Ederson and Fraser collide.
Scenario C - Ederson misses the ball which continues moving forward and Fraser and Ederson collide as Fraser tries to jump over Ederson.
Scenario D - Fraser plays the ball first and then collides with Ederson
Scenario E - Ederson and Fraser reach the ball simultaneously and collide.

What would be your decision in each of these cases and how likely do you think each scenario would have been had Cancello not intervened?

A: Penalty
B: Penalty
C: Penalty
D: Penalty
E: Penalty
Any other scenario: Penalty

It is CIty, after all. I am surprised you needed to ask.

I am amazed it wasn't given, even though I think Ederson didn't commit an infringement and Fraser deliberately initiated the collision.