PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[tommy116]

People need to chill, the only thing thats changed in the last couple of days is that some unregulated body has made accussations against City that City deny. The same creeps who spouted their crap last week are still the same jumping up and down about this today, haters are going to hate. Soon the dust will settle, the press and media will jump on some other story and this will be very much in the back ground. If City were really in trouble our enemies would want us in court now, not some drawn out process that will lose its edge as the weeks and months go by. This will mount to nothing and is just out to stop us now knowing in the long term it will achieve little.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The Burden of Proof in a Court of Law is “ Beyond Reasonable Doubt”

Which court would that be?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Does feel that way and in this world where we are bombarded with social media, news etc, thats just magnified hugely. The only good thing that can come out of this now is we are cleared, but even then City as fans, no one cares, we will continue to face the same attitudes, hostility and shite from other people and the media.

The process is the punishment.

 

[terraloon]

Which court would that be?

In the three jurisdictions of the UK (Northern Ireland; England & Wales; and Scotland) there are only two standards of proof in trials. (There are others which are defined in statutes, such as those relating to police powers.)

The criminal standard was formerly described as "beyond reasonable doubt". That standard remains, and the words commonly used, though the Judicial Studies Board guidance is that juries might be assisted by being told that to convict they must be persuaded "so that you are sure".

The civil standard is 'the balance of probabilities', often referred to in judgments as "more likely than not".

 

[The perfect fumble]

Gutted about this.

Still have 59 pages to catch up and have to leave work. Try again tomorrow!!

It'll be 259 by then ;-)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

In the three jurisdictions of the UK (Northern Ireland; England & Wales; and Scotland) there are only two standards of proof in trials. (There are others which are defined in statutes, such as those relating to police powers.)

The criminal standard was formerly described as "beyond reasonable doubt". That standard remains, and the words commonly used, though the Judicial Studies Board guidance is that juries might be assisted by being told that to convict they must be persuaded "so that you are sure".

The civil standard is 'the balance of probabilities', often referred to in judgments as "more likely than not".

Why didn’t you say that then?

 

[Metalartin]

The Burden of Proof in a Court of Law is “ Beyond Reasonable Doubt”

I believe at PL/FA hearings its way lower than “On the balance of probability”

This is what I find confusing, if City feel the PL and/or it's chosen arbitrators, haven't governed their own rules in accordance with English law. Then how can they not challenge something the PL think they have proven but they have not(as UEFA were proven to have done by CAS) in the high court?

 

[terraloon]

I read that as we can't appeal to the PL directly, they can't decide if we can take them to the High Court or not as it's not their decision. It's up to the High Court if we can proceed.

It’s referring to any sanction / fine etc

 

[The perfect fumble]

This is what I find confusing, if City feel the PL and/or it's chosen arbitrators, haven't governed their own rules in accordance with English law. Then how can they not challenge something the PL think they have proven but they have not(as UEFA were proven to have done by CAS) in the high court?

I could tell you, but that'll be £5,000 a post ;-)

 

[Chi-town blues]

The Burden of Proof in a Court of Law is “ Beyond Reasonable Doubt”

I believe at PL/FA hearings its way lower than “On the balance of probability”

So the balance of probability means 2+2=5?
Why am I not surprised?

 

[JRockBlues]

Someone attempting to explain a little on the charges we're facing:

 

[christened at st marks]

I firmly believe we will hit the PL as hard as we can and to show them we aint cheats and enough is enough.

I bloody hope so hit everyone of the tossers

 

[inbetween]

One thing that people don't understand is that City weren't even a top 10 club in 2008. We had to spend to get to where we are now but we've spent less than Chelsea since 2008 and yet we've built a team that has won far more. To say this journey isn't allowed means no club can ever win the league except for the richest.

The only clubs outside of the traditional top 4 to win the Premier League since it began over 30 years ago is us and Leicester. Blackburn only won it back in the day because they spent a ton under Jack Walker. Those Leicester moments aren't going to happen again whether we have financial fairness or not so the motives are stupid.

It's funny how that traditional top 4 has been broken apart and now suddenly we now need to be financially fair, competition my arse. These people would destroy competition if they could and that's what they're trying to do because to them it's all about the money.

With city it isn't about the money, it's about competition, trophies and then the money.

 

[skillman]

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Stick that in your pipe and smoke it

Fantastic article. Genuinely.

If only every fucker read it and took it in.

 

[GGG]

Exactly. Much as we don't want to admit it, City are small fry in all if this, a minor investment in the grander scheme of things.

Reputational damage extends beyond the Club and I don't believe the Premier League have truly digested what the ramifications are for years to come.

I suspect Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour will want to be heard personally by these spunk bubble fuck-wits.

Indeed.
And when City eventually are cleared of all, I fail to see how this doesn't open the Premier league to be sued for all the reputational damage due to all this? especially so if it proved they had no clear case to begin with.

 

[doobyedoobye]

There must be some twists and turns about to be revealed from both sides surely....

 

[halfcenturyup]

Charges, claims, prosecution.

Yes, sorry. I have no idea what the club have actually been charged with. I know what rules we broke in what years, but not how. So it's impossible to come to any conclusion on how serious any of it is, really.

 

[flb]

I’m not one to usually post on forums, in fact this is actually the first time, but with everything that has transpired over the past few days coupled with the flagrant arrogance of football ‘fans’ i’ve felt compelled to respond.

I won’t go down the road of emphasising the misery it brought me at school, although relevant it’s hardly exclusive, but what I will focus on are the sheer levels of hypocrisy that are emerging, hypocrisy that we all knew existed but couldn’t truly demonstrate because one club was state owned (originally) and another was bankrolled by a horrendous group of incestuous yank capitalists.

During the past decade Manchester City have produced the best football ever witnessed, scored the most goals and essentially made a mockery of an English pyramid headed by two teams in Red, both dominant in respective decades due to the majority of investment and all the perks that it brings - better players, trophies, more fans - similar to ourselves although we still can’t sell out our stadium allegedly (heard some ball bag on the radio the other night claim we only get 30,000) but we’ve never been truly allowed to appreciate it.

Certainly amongst ourselves we have rejoiced: QPR, Villa, Leicester, Liverpool, United etc but there’s never been a moment where we’ve not had to suffer the ignominy of a loutish fat tosser down the boozer who so flippantly decries our achievements as being tinged with falsities, arab money, financial tampering, inflated sponsors (words he can’t even spell let alone understand) or; when faced with some facts that he struggles to dispute, barks treble or twenty times in our face like a petulant child, remnants of last night’s dinner still smeared around their mouth, before slinking off with their fellow minions, fortified by the fact that we’re yet to win the champions league.

Dealing with people like this is allegedly part and parcel of the sport, working class ribbing and ‘friendly banter’ to be expected amongst rival fans… except that it’s not, it’s tiresome, absorbing and ultimately annoying to the extent that it has literally sucks the fun out of it all, a bitterness echoing loudly in the streets, on social media, on whatsapp, in the boozers and at work, fully grown men and women focusing their jealously through petty barbs, goading people into responding to try and deflect their own pettiness and insecurities.

I’ve maintained for a long time that there are no truly decent rags and I’d like to think that over the past few days that any lingering doubts people have had to the contrary have been extinguished. Having to listen to people try to explain something to me that they know even less about than I do is tiring enough but when you’re also faced with a bombardment of populist media shills and ex-players, let alone the very organisation that your football has done so much enhance the brand of, then I could be forgiven for giving up and just accepting the inevitable.

But then the final piece of the jigsaw fell into place and all the ‘coincidences’, the collusion and corruption finally jumped right out and smacked me in the face… Qatari investment. All the false sentiments and morality, the things we’d known for so long that were simple mechanisms to try to mask their spite finally shone through. I mean, we should have known it was coming when the media tried to condition the public into believing that it was because of City and Newcastle that clubs like Liverpool and United had no choice but to seek state investment, as though they were forced into it.

Make no mistake the timing of Monday’s announcement, the delay to the Independent Regulator, the two week window it potentially gives the Qatari’s to meet the Glazer’s deadline, displace the Governments dependence on one State’s finances by shifting it another - may sound a tad too conspiratorial but can anyone truly pretend they don’t agree?

If the above goes through, which it most probably will, all the murmurs of human rights violations will disappear, vanish as though they never existed and the truth will present itself because all this has ever been about is no longer being the best… like the most popular child at school suddenly losing his grip on his peers, the only way to try to regain that is through manipulation and lies.

Personally I believe we’ll prove our innocence but on the back of this it’ll instil a whole new level of tribalism and toxicity and so we must never forget the way we’ve been treated. Never pretend that this was okay and never lose sight of the fact that we were there when we were shit! MCFC. x

Keep on posting mate !

 

[Nellies left peg]

Indeed.
And when City eventually are cleared of all, I fail to see how this doesn't open the Premier league to be sued for all the reputational damage due to all this? especially so if it proved they had no clear case to begin with.

The football authorities in this country are a total joke. Pgmol , the FA and PL are a fucking shambles and I would be astonished if they have got anything serious that is going to stick. Just the jealous hateful eight or do that despise the fact that we have shit on their parade that are pushing this and for someone like Wenger to come out and call us cheats just because we bought all his players lol

 

[Iassel]

One thing is abundantly clear, the burden of proof is so high for the Premier League, I fail to see how the panel reaches it.

They would need to physically have former players waiting outside in the corridor to give evidence against us.

And if they had that, we would have known it in the four years we have dragged it out and it would never have gone this far.

It's a final Hail Mary, yet still predicated on non-compliance and when we are comfortable showing the supporting documents.

BDO will stand with us, as will all our sponsors and investors.

And that's before we discuss in essence, the temerity to put Khaldoon in the dock and him supposedly complicit in mass financial fraud.

The damage to his reputation alone and the boards he sits on would necessitate him to personally seek legal recourse.

It's a can of worms.

Whilst it is the PL who have to prove their case and not City who have to prove tries, the burden of proof is not actually *that* high, being ‘Only’ a balance of probabilities…

At the end of the day, the PL’s only interest is in further expanding the value of the league and having the best product possible - their actions in making such extraordinary accusations against the club make clear that the idea this is just some internal politics and City are being thrown under the bus is laughable. The PL would not publicly going for one of their own members, dragging the reputation of the ‘product’ and its past 15 years through the mid without the belief that they have a rock solid case, just as City are undoubtedly confident they have a rock solid defence.

The key point to note is that the idea this is done by the end of the season is bollocks. This will run for years, and a part of me wonders if the Qataris joining the league will work in City’s favour here…..

They’re going to want to bring Mbappe over from Paris, and build a galactico’s team wearing ‘Visit Qatar’ shirts at the ‘Visit Qatar’ stadium and won’t want any definitive ruling against City standing in their way.