PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

I’ve just missed a connecting flight so found myself with 8 hours to spare in Heathrow so I did some reading up on the full suite of charges. I’m a qualified accountant by trade but by no means an expert at this type of stuff. In my mind the charges all boil down to two overarching accusations:

1. Knowingly falsifying accounts for 9 years - essentially the backbone of the accusation and one of the most difficult things in civil law to prove. Hard to put into words quite how significant this claim is (volume of people involved and consequence) but the severity of the claim requires a suite of evidence that is just cannot imagine the PL being able to attain or prove. The knock on effect of this claim, if true, wouldn’t stop with football related charges but would spill well beyond that.

While not totally watertight the CAS verdict here is a very good indicator of the evidence seemingly available for this claim. While most people dismiss the CAS verdict because they think it’s mainly a time barred verdict, this isn’t actually entirely true and there are very clear outcomes within it that address this accusation, and determine that the evidence does not support such a claim.

2. Failure to comply appropriately. Not something to worry about for me. The club does have a right to provide things in a way it sees fit so it could well be that what the PL have requested is unreasonable. Equally you cannot provide things that do not exist. The independent committee will request evidence from both sides as they see fit to determine No.1 and the consequence of No.2 will be lost in the noise to prove No.1.

Most of the charges seem to sit in various guises under No.1 will a section for No.2. I wouldn’t want to go on record but based on the evidence leaked to date, the verdict of CAS, and the severity of the accusation, I feel like a strong set of lawyers will eat this particular set of allegations up. But let’s see…
I think your first point is a good, simplified breakdown on what the main charge is.

All I’m wary about is if they’ve got a secret whistleblower ready to blow the case open, which I’d highly doubt. I’m speaking as if City are guilty and hiding the truth, which I don’t think is the case.

There’s some very smart people on here and from the information I’ve gathered from the past two days, I’d say we’ll be cleared for the more serious charges and we’ll be hit with some charges relating to failing to cooperate with the investigation.

One thing that does pop up into my mind is the Prem have possibly created the biggest story line regarding one of their own football clubs for years, six times champions in fact. Is their evidence anymore damning than UEFA’s or are they playing the same game as them by causing more damage to our reputation while also hoping some of shit thrown at us ends up sticking? If the answer is the latter, questions need to be asked who is behind their motive. After all, they will have done serious damage to their own reputation if City prove we’ve done nothing wrong.
 
Do the premier league realise that they are accusing khaldoon, an Emirati Government official, of lying, deceit and fraud?

And do the premier league really know that they have accused the deputy prime minister of the UAE, Sheikh Mansour, of the same thing AND are accusing him of allowing the cooking of the books, lying, fraud, falsyfying accounts?

I mean, just read that and think wtf have the premier league done!

This is going to turn very messy i think.
If Khaldoon had been Saudi,and his name "Prince Bone saw".

We would not be getting this shit for sure.

Our crime is being owned by the wrong Arabs,decent respectable ones.
 
Do the premier league realise that they are accusing khaldoon, an Emirati Government official, of lying, deceit and fraud?

And do the premier league really know that they have accused the deputy prime minister of the UAE, Sheikh Mansour, of the same thing AND are accusing him of allowing the cooking of the books, lying, fraud, falsyfying accounts?

I mean, just read that and think wtf have the premier league done!

This is going to turn very messy i think.
Very messy indeed, for the PL.
And I shall enjoy every millisecond of watching them cunts crash and burn while MCFC prevail once again
 
Mate, seriously, unless you're fishing, I expected better of you.

This meeting is fuck all to do with current events. It's a meeting that happens at least 3 times a year.

The Mail are turning into something it isn't. Awful, incendiary, tribalistic shite.

Edit... Apologies, just seen your recent posts.
Aye, he's realised now but tonights meeting has been discussed all week.

"Guess who's coming to dinner" or what
 
Do the premier league realise that they are accusing khaldoon, an Emirati Government official, of lying, deceit and fraud?

And do the premier league really know that they have accused the deputy prime minister of the UAE, Sheikh Mansour, of the same thing AND are accusing him of allowing the cooking of the books, lying, fraud, falsyfying accounts?

I mean, just read that and think wtf have the premier league done!

This is going to turn very messy i think.

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Do the premier league realise that they are accusing khaldoon, an Emirati Government official, of lying, deceit and fraud?

And do the premier league really know that they have accused the deputy prime minister of the UAE, Sheikh Mansour, of the same thing AND are accusing him of allowing the cooking of the books, lying, fraud, falsyfying accounts?

I mean, just read that and think wtf have the premier league done!

This is going to turn very messy i think.

Yes but the fuckers who have created this situation are probably getting plenty of support , atm from the sly fuckers who want us out of the way .
 
That's funny. Reminds me of chemical allie in the gulf war saying on TV the Iraqis would win and then a shell going off nearby and his chin hitting the floor.
thought it was a tank going passed in the background.

edit: the soldiers were just behind him hahaha

 
I remember the discussions taking place on here prior to the UEFA CAS case covering the fact that UEFA too had some of the best european legal representatives and that there was no way they wouldn't have some defacto smoking gun evidence that would counter anything we had to offer in defence.

There was no possibility all they had was a photocopy of a spliced email from 2010 and 2 other insignificant emails taken from Der Spiegels website to attempt to justify the overwhelming fraud they were alleging and which their investigative chamber and then secondary chamber of lawyers had taken many months to consider and deciding we were bang to rights.

I remember the media announcing our guilt to the world on the announcement of the charges and the sanctions and the many discussions about what cheats we are and how dare we offer up a statement to the fact we were going to appeal the decision of these fine upstanding european gentlemens' considered legal decision.

We oohed and aargghed about what possible evidence it could be that would be our downfall amid the handwringing on here discussing how the whole board should resign and it was Sorianos fault or the chairmans.

Lo and behold when it came time to show the hand of aces we all dreaded, they laughably stood there with their micro penis in hand for everyone to see.

I was incredulous when I read the full decision in how any outstanding legal mind would have thought with what they had how it could have gone any other way. The actual hubris involved to think that an independent judges panel could come to a guilty decision based on what was offered as evidence to corroborate financial malfeasance on a scale they alleged. Yet most decisions were seemingly not unanimous!

Yet here we are again, asking the same questions, querying the jurisdiction, evidential burden, quality of evidence, counter evidence and presupposing the evidential smoking gun, what it is, what have we missed etc etc.

The difference is the PL have seen the same case play out, they have been privvy to the evidence offered to try to prove disguised owner investment and more importantly our responses and defence evidence to those accusations. They would be seemingly stupid to go down the same route and expect a different outcome. So we are to suffer the double jeopardy of not only having come to an agreement previously with UEFA and took a pinch for matters up to 2014, but to face similar charges for matter bothe before that point and after it.

There is no doubt if City are found guilty the punishment will be exacting for the alleged rule breaches some of which are considerable and would require director involvement in dishonesty and bad faith to such a degree that BDO have been mislead and duped so that the financial statements are deliberately falsified. I would imagine Khaldoun is absolutely seething and HHSM will be none too pleased either. These charges are calling them cheats and liars. Make no bones about this the gloves are off, they want us hobbled permanently and this has FSG, Kronke and the Glazers American fingerprints all over it imho.

So what have they done differently to UEFA then?
A whole battery of stacked charges in relation to matters going right back to the takeover. Mancinis wages, player wages, image rights payments, Fordham consolidation of club admin expenses etc., early etisalat sponsorship payments and more. So rather than one big rule breach, seeking death by a thousand cuts. I think they believe if they can show many multiple small rule infringements and these will add up to show a code of conduct whereby they can allege we were not negligent but actively indifferent and in some cases proactive in rule breaking with little or no concern of consequence and that because of that we are worthy of being guilty of the larger allegations of malfeasance over lengthy periods of time even though the amounts may not be large by consideration of turnover.

I must admit the amount of non-compliance allegations were somewhat of a surprise as I was sure I had read City were cooperating with the PL on this investigation and CItys statement allude to this with "...particularly given the extensive engagement and vast amount of detailed materials that the EPL has been provided with". Again I surmise that the PL have little evidential "hot potatoes" and have been on a few fishing trips for documentation CIty have obviously said at some point you have what you need and are not getting any more.

These matters are of course subjective without substantial documentary evidence in support of them and Bird & Bird would have to give compelling argument to satisfy the heavier weight of expected evidence on the "Balance of probability" for such unprecedented serious allegations.

There can be no doubt that this process is incredibly damaging to Citys brand and clearly the PL know this and are likely to seek a quick resolution if possible with some kind of plea bargain once the preliminaries have been dispensed with. I think Citys board have taken all the 'pinches" they are ever likely to take though.

Both teams of legal representatives leads are long standing Kings Counsel of great experience and it will be a duel worthy of any combative arena, unfortunately it is likely we will only have some hearsay comment as to how it panned out unless there are any real "gotcha" moments, let us hope if there are they are Lord Pannicks or even our more junior counsel if they are the nominated combatant.

No doubt the press and media will be lobbying hard for the proceedings to be more "public" crying about public interest and the like. I suspect however there will be many months of legal wrangling to come. Maybe jurisdiction will be discussed despite the rules for dispute resolution lying with an independent panel. However we are unlikely to know what's going on in the meantime as we are ever the mushrooms in these affairs, kept in the dark and fed on bullshit.

I have no idea how this will all pan out. I support the club's position on this until there is evidence produced that erodes that position whereby such a position would be untenable. The consequences of a guilty verdict in the end are inconceivable and I refuse to consider them at the moment.

I believe the clubs directors are not the crooks made out in these charges and that any decisions made regarding sponsorship or investment has always been considered with the best interests of CIty in mind. Of course we may have pushed the boundaries on occasion particularly as the drawbridge was closing, it is their job to do so. I cannot believe any of the management or directors deliberately falsified records or manipulated contractual obligations with falsified owner investment to cook the books. I am currently confident we will be exonerated apart from the usual non compliance bollocks.

Rui Pinto has a lot to answer for and I believe he's about to get what's coming to him. He's no more a whistleblower than I am, he's a petty extortionist who blackmailed Doyen Sports and was caught red handed. He then used the deposit of millions of Mb of data, including our emails, into the hands of tossers like Der Spiegel to try to exonerate himself and make out hes some sort of modern day Julian Assange - i'd throw the key away and let the little twat rot.
 
Agreed Ric. Fingers crossed. And as far as mental health is concerned, it’s knocked mine to a record low this week. Genuinely impacts it.
It's definitely hit others including me too. It is so depressing abd draining having to go through it all again. We have to take care of ourselves.
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Every fan of every other club needs to take a long hard look at this, the meritocracy in sport is what makes it competitive this is just about money.
and every fan will look at your post and say "what is meritocracy"
 
This thread is sort of cross between an AA meeting, a Samaritans call and the Open University (Law and Geo Politics being sspecialist subjects)

As many others have said a full on media blackout (can't even face even headlines on newsnow City page) with this being the only safe port in the current storm.

We,ll come through the current shitstorm stronger than ever of that i've no doubt, i've every faith in the club to put these bastards in their place once and for all.
 
Yes but the fuckers who have created this situation are probably getting plenty of support , atm from the sly fuckers who want us out of the way .

Exactly this. We can rightly boast we can afford the best legal brains in the country but we all know now who's behind this. The rags, dippers, Chelsea and Arsenal can all afford the best too to dig up as much shit as they can about us.
 

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