RB Leipzig (A) | Post Match Thread

[Deleted member 77198]

Hard to argue that on the balance of play a draw wasn't a fair result. However, with my City hat firmly on, if we score their equaliser it (quite rightly) gets chalked off for 'climbing' and, at the other end, if that hits one of our defenders it's (again quite rightly) a nailed on penalty.

I dont think he did climb on Dias. If he had I would say it’s a foul.

I think Gvardiol got right up in the air with an impressive leap before he even touched Dias and then just used Dias for balance once he was up and Dias screamed and threw himself over.

It was just good dominant play from Gvardiol (the only time I was impressed with him all game as I went into that game with big expectations but thought he was rubbish other than that header).

 

[Matt Diablo]

We use fresher legs against Madrid last season too, how well that turned out.

Sometimes it's works sometimes it doesn't, people act like it's works every single fucking time.

We weren't play shit/ like shot dogs vrs Madrid

 

[Goater=Legend]

Has anyone read peps post match comments. He has said he doesn’t think we have the pace to play in transition with speed and play forward quickly. He named haaland and walker as the only ones with real pace. Ignore the fact that you may disagree and name foden etc as others. But, he obviously doesn’t feel we can play any way except from this. We obviously need new players this summer to put some life into this team.

People have said this for ages when we didn't replace the pacey players. Not sure why he didn't mention Alvarez

 

[John Wayne]

I don't mind us being hard to beat. A lot of teams that have won the CL have hardly been swashbuckling trailblazers. The old mantra was about keeping it tight away and being formidable at home. We've achieved the first part.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

It's weird but when Foden first started playing I didn't have half as much confidence as the rest of BlueMoon. I guess seeing him score and succeed against some European and PL powerhouses changed my mind on him and I know those performances are still inside him. If he was 30-some year old I might think he's lost a step but he's too young to just lose his ability and explosiveness.

I guess my reasoning for thinking Alvarez would have been a difference maker is that while a player can go into a slump his speed doesn't. I felt the same way about Navas when he was with City, he shouldn't have been a starter but he'd have been a great sub to some on to protect a lead. The last thing RBL wanted to see was a serious breakaway threat come on when they were in full-on attack mode. Just the threat of him and Foden might have been enough to slow them down a bit.

Fair enough mate on both points.

One thing for sure is that we need Foden back on form of the last couple of seasons, he's unplayable at his consistent best. As you say he's young enough so he's not lost a step anywhere, perhaps a bit of a reality check for him I'm not sure but we're a far better team with a fit and firing Foden. Another point with Foden is that I'd hope Pep isn't deliberately trying to change his game to be more like Grealish. Whilst Grealish does what he does well we need that different option on the left and Foden isn't suited to safe possession football but more so he's got a good delivery into the box and makes great runs in behind - obviously it's all up to Pep but just speaking as a fan I hope he leaves Foden to do his thing.

 

[blueone]

Jeez came to have a look at people's opinions on this thread and can't believe how negative they are. Yes we weren't great 2nd half but Leipzig are a quality team and we're always going to have their moments. Yeah it's also frustrating not feeding Haarland enough, but under Pep it always takes a while for players to adapt, this time the team needs to adapt to him. We also had a blatent pen not given. Ffs that was a decent result. Stop moaning.

 

[supercity88]

I think Pep was incredibly concerned by their threat on the counter so was unwilling to change the lineup or system as we'd controlled that side of things pretty well. Their goal was a really poor one to concede. Pep seemed happy with a draw and we have three weeks to keep gelling and nail this system to win the game. I'd rather he recognised the opposition's threat than stick with something that was seeing us sliced open. In Europe, he is almost always scarred from a previous campaign. The way we conceded so easily against Real despite our dominance will probably see us be much more defensive and a little more lacking in attack as a result. Win the CL drawing one game and winning the other 1-0 then happy days, no one cares how you win it in the end.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

I don't mind us being hard to beat. A lot of teams that have won the CL have hardly been swashbuckling trailblazers. The old mantra was about keeping it tight away and being formidable at home. We've achieved the first part.

I can understand frustrations, but ultimately we went there, took the sting out of the match and crowd for 45 minutes, got an "away goal" (I know they don't count anymore, but still super important over the course of a home/away tie), and then forced them to come on to us. Not sure it was amazing game management, but you really do have to manage the match and the tie.

 

[JTFactsPlz]

I think the problem lies with our front three more than midfield.
Grealish assists and goals stats say it all. Never gives the ball away but creates nothing.
Mahrez blows hot and cold. Neither he or Grealish get the ball across to EH, both always cut back in on their preferred foot. They never mix it up and swap wings mid game.
It’s all been said about Haaland , but as a trio they don’t gel.
Something has to change.
I would Foden an extended run on the left.
He worked well with EH early season. He is direct, sees a pass and can score.

Your take on Grealish here is literally made of bollocks.

So you'd take out one of our best and most reliable players since the WC and punish him for great performances by replacing him on the LW with a player who's had attitude problems recently and shown little in his recent performances to deserve what you suggest.

Give me strength.

 

[don84]

and are we sure Pep isn't coaching the instinct out of him.

Play the ball to his fuckin feet!!
Thats all ive got to say. Night Blues.

Blatant handball and also it was a foul for their goal. What the fuck were VAR doing?

Having said that our second half was shite. But cheated by the officials.

This !!!

 

[waspish]

We really do need more pace in this team. Grealish isn’t exactly slow but he’s not got proper pace, but he was by far the fastest of the five behind Haaland last night. I think that’s a problem we’ve faced this season.

While Jesus and Sterling had their faults (and it’s not like I wish we didn’t sell them or want them back) but we didn’t replace their pace in wide areas (since Jesus often played wide for us last season) and our general demeanour is that of a slow team now.

Even Álvarez who is faster than the others we have, isn’t fast. But what he has is desire and tenacity to his work rate.

Foden should be fit now so he needs to start playing regularly again. He, Haaland and Walker are the only players with any pace in the whole squad. I’d play him in attacking midfield with de Bruyne and see how he does. He’ll certainly try and pass to Haaland more than Bernardo and Gundogan did last night, especially in the second half.

Stones isn’t far away either so I’d love to see this line-up soon and see what happens:
————————-Ederson——————
Walker——Stones——Dias——Aké
—————————Rodri———————
————-de Bruyne——Foden———-
Álvarez———Haaland———Grealish

Doesn’t have to be every week as we have a lot of games and don’t want to burn them out (de Bruyne needs more tests than he’s getting as it is, plus Mahrez often scores so don’t leave him out long term). But just see how it goes with Foden in midfield.

Pep will look at that team and he’ll see four players who lose the ball more than others in the squad! I see it as more attacking!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

How many times do I have to say that his positional sense is poor and that he doesn't (even try to) dominate his six yard box?

He lets things happen at dead ball situations, leaves it up to defenders to clear the ball, and hopes for the best. That's why we've seen so many goal-line clearances by the likes of Stones, Dias and Walker.

I thought he played well last night, but his weaknesses are still clear. He's probably the luckiest goalkeeper I've ever seen. To be so average, and still playing elite football... it's almost unbelievable..

He always defers to his defenders to clear from set pieces, and never dominates in that area. It's why he does get caught on his line a lot, even if others think he comes off it.

His starting position in the centre of his goal is poor and he shouldn't be moving to his front post on corners, ever.

As you say, he played well in parts, but he's far from elite.

 

[Bluesince1979]

In his post match comments basically admitted that he was scared of us losing possession. He was scared of that counter attack due to our lack of pace.

2 things…

1. He has moulded this squad of paceless players.

2. If his game (as we know) is ALL about possession, then not only WHY did he buy haaland, but HOW is he going to get the best out of this generational talent if the game plan is never to risk losing the ball and picking the pass out to him.

In all honestly , i think pep has totally tied himself in knots with the ‘keep ball at all costs’ philosophy

 

[bluegaz13]

With regards to substitutions....If I remember correctly Pep was one of the advocates for the 5 Sub rule.......then the accusations were that it would benefit the bigger clubs with deeper squads because they would have better players to bring on........it's almost as though Pep is now reacting to that by trying to prove that he doesn't need the 5 sub rule to win trophys.

There was a spell last night (just like the Forest game ) when it felt as though the opposition were going to score and he did very little to change it.

We are limping home this season with a number of players who need to be either replaced or have a significantly reduced playing time and any trophy will be a success....I don't think we are good enough for the champions league.

I am not sure what has happened since the first 70 Minutes of the Derby massacre (when we looked unstoppable) but the ball is now delayed coming into the box with especially Siva and Gundogan the main culprits plus we have De Bruyne in decline and unable to consistently make the passes he was capable of 12 months ago.

The lack of pace in the squad he mentioned should not be a surprise to Pep.

I think the world cup has affected City more than most....especially the older players, but a Summer of rebuild similar to 2017 is definitely required.

 

[Tbilisi]

He always defers to his defenders to clear from set pieces, and never dominates in that area. It's why he does get caught on his line a lot, even if others think he comes off it.

His starting position in the centre of his goal is poor and he shouldn't be moving to his front post on corners, ever.

As you say, he played well in parts, but he's far from elite.

Yes Ederson is not good enough if we hope to win the CL.

I had never noticed just how poor he was until I met ScaringEuropetodeath in Dortmund who said this to me and since then I have come to realise it is true.

I am happy with a draw out there, sets it up nicely for the return.

Wonder how many away fans they will bring, acid test for any clubs support.

 

[domalino]

He always defers to his defenders to clear from set pieces, and never dominates in that area. It's why he does get caught on his line a lot, even if others think he comes off it.

His starting position in the centre of his goal is poor and he shouldn't be moving to his front post on corners, ever.

As you say, he played well in parts, but he's far from elite.

Sorry but this just isn’t true. Ederson continually gets ranked among the best goalkeepers int he world for the number of corners claimed.

He did make a mistake yesterday, but overall his dominance of his box is one of the strongest parts of his game.

Ederson’s big problem and the thing that stops him being one of the very best int he world has always been 1v1s and he’s showing signs of changing his approach and getting much better results in that area- he dealt with 3 perfectly yesterday.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

As people on here have said we are crying out for a wide player who can beat a man and deliver a good cross. Also we have no full backs thst can overlap the inverted wingers and deliver a decent cross or pass. There never seems to be runners from midfield off haaland into the box. The only time we really look like scoring is when we pounce on a mistake near the edge of the opponents box. Our creativity has really gone down hill. That said every time we went long haaland was not holding the ball up and when he did win it and flicked on he had nobody around him.

 

[h4wkward]

Maybe time to give Ortega a run of games?

 

[ZanteWeatherman]

Your take on Grealish here is literally made of bollocks.

So you'd take out one of our best and most reliable players since the WC and punish him for great performances by replacing him on the LW with a player who's had attitude problems recently and shown little in his recent performances to deserve what you suggest.

Give me strength.

My take on Grealish, maybe move him inside. You can't get the ball off him, any fouls would likely be in shooting distance.....
That leaves Foden to play slightly left (or up top left). No idea who would make way in midfield though.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Yes Ederson is not good enough if we hope to win the CL.

I had never noticed just how poor he was until I met ScaringEuropetodeath in Dortmund who said this to me and since then I have come to realise it is true.

I am happy with a draw out there, sets it up nicely for the return.

Wonder how many away fans they will bring, acid test for any clubs support.

Someone in Dortmund told you Eddie is shit therefore you realise it's true?