North Stand Construction Discussion

Psychedelic Casual said:
There are loads of potential names:

The Great Northern End (a bit more imaginative than just ‘the North Stand’… we’d be the ‘Northerners’ who stand in there, could have a massive banner saying ‘GREAT NORTHERN’)
The Pit (in relation to the colliery that was once on site)
The Wonderwall
The 93:20 Stand (since it was the end that 93:20 goal was scored at)
The Co-Op Stand (sponsor the stand and get more money coming in)

At one time I was adamant a proper City home end should be called the Kippax, but there’s only one Kippax and I think that should be left in our history and the new end should have a new name.
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If we were to follow the Maine Road tradition of naming the stands after the closest roads that were there before the stadium was built, the North stand would be called the Benson. Overlay below shows Benson Street running through what will be the back of the expanded north stand. Obviously that won’t happen.

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west didsblue said:
If we were to follow the Maine Road tradition of naming the stands after the closest roads that were there before the stadium was built, the North stand would be called the Benson. Overlay below shows Benson Street running through what will be the back of the expanded north stand. Obviously that won’t happen.

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Is there a Hedges Lane by any of the other stands?
 
west didsblue said:
If we were to follow the Maine Road tradition of naming the stands after the closest roads that were there before the stadium was built, the North stand would be called the Benson. Overlay below shows Benson Street running through what will be the back of the expanded north stand. Obviously that won’t happen.

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The John Benson Stand. 40 years after his stint as City manager.

Appropriate. Get it done.
 
failsworthblueboy said:
I remeber the Northern Quarter being deralict only the Edinburgh Castle and the Daily Express showing signs of any kind of life, no jobs no money no investment and trust the clientel in the Edinburgh Castle were not a great example of "signs of life"
Nobody would go there they said, it's a dump and sh*t hole that no one will ever go near never mind invest,
Yet now it's thriving with plenty of places to eat drink and chill a great part of Manchester an expanding and ever growing City, I believe if we build they will come and eventually the City centre will grow and grow with the Etihad campus being part of it.
Maybe it's just me but I believe in our City, the Etihad Campus will be an integral part of the Manchester night life in the years too come.
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To be fair the northern quarter is right in the centre of town. Near all of the main transport hubs. I agree with what you are saying, but I think it will be years before all of that happens.

I think the difference as well is that the etihad is surrounded by lots of housing and residential areas on all sides. It’s nothing like that in the city centre.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
To be fair the northern quarter is right in the centre of town. Near all of the main transport hubs. I agree with what you are saying, but I think it will be years before all of that happens.

I think the difference as well is that the etihad is surrounded by lots of housing and residential areas on all sides. It’s nothing like that in the city centre.
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When the stadium was built for the commonwealth games, it was all about re-generating a deprived area of Manchester. An area that had been neglected for decades. Times have moved on considerably, but I reckon if City's owners could start from scratch, they wouldn't have chosen that location. Some older blues will remember that council estate behind Maine Road chippy was full of United fans. Cars got done in, people had to run the gauntlet, slabs of concrete were hurled at fans going to the match. It's not like that now, but some people remember it not all being sunshine and rainbows. I know lots of people who still avoid it.
 
Mr Edward's shoe mirror said:
This is the easiest decision ever. The only name for this stand would be 'the Kippax'.

The Kop, the Holt end, the Stretford end, the Kippax.

It just has to be. There is no other name. Fuckin Benson stand. Stop it. Kippax all day long and twice on sunday.
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The Aguero End for me.

I loved the Kippax, but I always associate it with standing at the side of the pitch with piss trickling underfoot (in a nice way :-)), not £7 artisan hot dogs and glass box hotels.
 
Shaelumstash said:
The Aguero End for me.

I loved the Kippax, but I always associate it with standing at the side of the pitch with piss trickling underfoot (in a nice way :-)), not £7 artisan hot dogs and glass box hotels.
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forget about all that shite, I know it's hard to. But imagine from the pitch side, having a full stand behind the goal which became infamous again. Just a wall of noise. Aguero stand sounds wanky to me. The Kippax ticks all the boxes. It has the history, and it tells the world that this is where the noise comes from, where the camera pans to after a goal, the voice of the fans. Not for day trippers or people who have won a competition. The Kippax, where you will hear foul language, where drunk men will let it all out. Somewhere authentic and not contrived, or made up by marketing wankers with no attachment to the club.

You know, there's hundreds of people employed by the club who don't actually support City or even follow football. They've studied marketing at uni, and these are the people who make decisions about the fan experience, and all the stuff that makes you cringe. Light shows and Hugh Ferris.

I was at Old Scaffold, last month, and when they scored that dodgy equaliser, IMO the second goal came from the Stretford end going totally mental. It was like an explosion. As soon as I heard it, I was thinking, "their gonna score here." And they did.

There is nothing like that at the Etihad ATM. No wall of noise, no area where all the nutters are in one place. It's too corporate, too contrived, not edgy or vibrant. Very sanitised. Winning consistently has taken the edge off.

The plans for this new stand seem to appeal to a different sort of clientele. Souvenir shops, a hotel, fast food outlets. It's not really that focused on creating a better atmosphere.
 
jrb said:
I’ve still got concerns about 2 aspects of the design. The blank wall on the end of the left arm as you look at it from Joe Mercer Way.
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Certain media types can be stapled to this wall and passing Blues can pelt them with rotten fruit, vegetables, bricks, anvils etc.

We could call it “The Wall of Twats”.
 
Mr Edward's shoe mirror said:
forget about all that shite, I know it's hard to. But imagine from the pitch side, having a full stand behind the goal which became infamous again. Just a wall of noise. Aguero stand sounds wanky to me. The Kippax ticks all the boxes. It has the history, and it tells the world that this is where the noise comes from, where the camera pans to after a goal, the voice of the fans. Not for day trippers or people who have won a competition. The Kippax, where you will hear foul language, where drunk men will let it all out. Somewhere authentic and not contrived, or made up by marketing wankers with no attachment to the club.

You know, there's hundreds of people employed by the club who don't actually support City or even follow football. They've studied marketing at uni, and these are the people who make decisions about the fan experience, and all the stuff that makes you cringe. Light shows and Hugh Ferris.

I was at Old Scaffold, last month, and when they scored that dodgy equaliser, IMO the second goal came from the Stretford end going totally mental. It was like an explosion. As soon as I heard it, I was thinking, "their gonna score here." And they did.

There is nothing like that at the Etihad ATM. No wall of noise, no area where all the nutters are in one place. It's too corporate, too contrived, not edgy or vibrant. Very sanitised. Winning consistently has taken the edge off.

The plans for this new stand seem to appeal to a different sort of clientele. Souvenir shops, a hotel, fast food outlets. It's not really that focused on creating a better atmosphere.
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Great post, really hope this is it.
 
Mr Edward's shoe mirror said:
The issue with that is fairly obvious, though. There is a massive residential area between the Etihad campus and town. It's not an overspill area that is connected to town, like the Northern Quarter, you have to pass through this space. And when you do, there's not a lot that rivals being in town. And I'm thinking about the general punters, the students who are not from Manchester etc..


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All this aside, I reckon if they built a huge casino. Like the biggest in Europe. A real 24 hour type place, with all the trimmings, like they have in America. It would be totally unique. There would be people from all over the world who would specifically visit or stay for that type of experience, because the ones in town are piss poor. In that sort of venture you could excel. It would also generate a rolling trade that never stops. When you travel around America or Australia, a lot of the big stadiums have casinos. There's a sound reasoning behind this.
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Naive and wishful thinking.

There won’t be any supper casino. Been, never happened, gone! Never to return.

The House of Lords last night threw out controversial plans to site a supercasino in Manchester, despite Tessa Jowell's last-ditch attempt to win back support with a package of concessions.

A fatal amendment - passed by three votes - forced the culture secretary's gambling reforms back to the drawing board, rejecting 16 smaller venues as well as the Las Vegas-style casino.

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www.theguardian.com

Lords throw out plans for Manchester supercasino

· Three-vote amendment victory deals fatal blow · Jowell forced back to drawing board
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You need to do a bit more research and reading about what has been proposed for the Collar site and wider surrounding Etihad Campus.

There are forum members who have been following the development of the wider Etihad Campus for decades. There are other forum members who have first hand knowledge or an insight of what’s going via connections to the club or to people working on the proposals, that most of us don’t have. At times that information/snippets have been shared on this thread.

Again. Why don’t you go down to the exhibition today or when you’ve got time and speak to the people directly involved in the proposal who know what’s going on and can answer your questions and ‘concerns’.
 
The city centre is creeping ever closer to the Etihad stadium. In time, maybe not in my lifetime, I’m 55, the city centre residential and office urban sprawl will reach the Etihad.

There are numerous residential proposals planned for plots of land around Ancoats, New Islington, Holt Town, as well as more redevelopments of the remaining mills close(er) to the Etihad Stadium.

One example.

Ancoats Works.

The £50 million project includes canalside apartments, townhouses, gardens and a new café bar or store. The proposed designs, for what’s currently a disused storage depot, include 193 homes, with a mix of 1 and 2‐bed apartments, 3‐bed duplexes and townhouses fronting onto Carruthers Street.

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Ancoats Works, Pollard Street, Manchester – Kamani Property Group

Kamani Property Group have submitted plans to Manchester City Council for a new development to create a vibrant canal-side community at Manchester’s Ancoats Works.
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Let’s not forget Manchester Life, who have more residential developments proposed.

Established in 2014, Manchester Life operates as an investor, residential developer, place maker, and landlord across Ancoats and New Islington.​

Manchester Life Development Company, the joint venture between the Abu Dhabi United Group and Manchester City Council, coordinates regeneration activities and plans and develops homes.

Manchester Life Management Limited, owned by the Abu Dhabi United Group, owns, and manages our rental buildings.

Manchester Life | Who We Are

Established in 2014, we are an investor, residential developer, placemaker and landlord. Find out more.
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jrb said:
Naive and wishful thinking.

There won’t be any supper casino. Been, never happened, gone! Never to return.

The House of Lords last night threw out controversial plans to site a supercasino in Manchester, despite Tessa Jowell's last-ditch attempt to win back support with a package of concessions.

A fatal amendment - passed by three votes - forced the culture secretary's gambling reforms back to the drawing board, rejecting 16 smaller venues as well as the Las Vegas-style casino.

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www.theguardian.com

Lords throw out plans for Manchester supercasino

· Three-vote amendment victory deals fatal blow · Jowell forced back to drawing board
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

You need to do a bit more research and reading about what has been proposed for the Collar site and wider surrounding Etihad Campus.

There are forum members who have been following the development of the wider Etihad Campus for decades. There are other forum members who have first hand knowledge or an insight of what’s going via connections to the club or to people working on the proposals, that most of us don’t have. At times that information/snippets have been shared on this thread.

Again. Why don’t you go down to the exhibition today or when you’ve got time and speak to the people directly involved in the proposal who know what’s going on and can answer your questions and ‘concerns’.
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If you look at Wembley, Murrayfield, and Hydro Glasgow all of them are serviced by major transport hubs. What City are joining here is impressive but you are not going to a concert if it takes three hours to get out of the car park. Mr Edwards Shoe has a point about being a destination, you need to create a district at the Collar site to cater for loads of different people, look at what Wembely has done, I know not everyone's cup of tea but a designer outlet or something along those lines to bring other people to the area making a district.

Someone posted on SSC advising of a train station at the old Mercedes garage that would be perfect as it could service the whole area.

As @blueyorkie advised on his posts Manchester City execs advised they are building multi-storey carparks the perfect spot for them would be the old gas holders, you could copy what they have done at Wembley with their multi-storey car parks, they even have one for coaches as in the Pink Car Park which is a multi-storey for buses

I agree with what @jrb said about the North Stand and the hotel etc, the idea for the new city square is great but it needs to fit in with the surroundings at the moment it looks like a bold on to the stadium

If they were designing something why not something like this that could also be added to the stadium

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