PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Shads said:
It is different. In CAS we didn’t provide anything until it got to CAS. We stated we didn’t cooperate and CAS had no choice but to fine us for the non cooperation we admitted. Here we cooperated and provided what we believed to be relevant documents. When they asked for non specific or non existent documents we either couldn’t provide them or were unable to discern what documents they wanted. Those are defenses to non cooperation as opposed to simply throwing in the towel on the issue.
There is of course still a chance that we are found not to have cooperated and be fined, but at least this time we have a fighting chance.
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This is true and I take your point. But I was thinking more of "contacting third parties" side of things. I presume the PL can't enforce a request for the club to get information from a third party for the investigation, but if the club says during the investigation that the third parties don't want to provide it, but we know it was provided at CAS or the club turn up at the independent panel with it, then presumably the club wasn't acting during the investigation in good faith?

Mehh, it's all hypothetical really, I suppose. Nobody really knows what the wrong-doings that led to the list of breaches actually are, so maybe I am wasting your time talking about it.
 
Shads said:
However the Al Jazira contract is nothing to do with Man City, it was between AJ and Mancini. We have no documents that relate to that contract. We cannot therefore provide them nor be accused of failing to provide them successfully.
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Did the mancini stuff come about via der spiegel? We must have had a record of it for whatever reason for it to be hacked.
 
halfcenturyup said:
This is true and I take your point. But I was thinking more of "contacting third parties" side of things. I presume the PL can't enforce a request for the club to get information from a third party for the investigation, but if the club says during the investigation that the third parties don't want to provide it, but we know it was provided at CAS or the club turn up at the independent panel with it, then presumably the club wasn't acting during the investigation in good faith?

Mehh, it's all hypothetical really, I suppose. Nobody really knows what the wrong-doings that led to the list of breaches actually are, so maybe I am wasting your time talking about it.
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We did provide info from third parties including Etihad at CAS as it was helpful. I have no doubt the same material will be produced by those same third parties to the panel.
 
117 M34 said:
Did the mancini stuff come about via der spiegel? We must have had a record of it for whatever reason for it to be hacked.
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I think It was fairly well known that deal was in place prior to him becoming manager for us. It was not a secret in the industry.
 
Ric said:
I think it’s in the public domain that Nick’s wife sadly passed away in 2020, and I can only imagine how devastating that was for him and his kids. I sent him a message of condolence at the time, as these things obviously transcend football rivalries.

Like you, I am however a little concerned about his mental state and increasingly erratic behaviour over the last couple of years.

There was an incident on Twitter that he claimed led to an act of alleged vandalism at his house, in a fairly remote part of Scotland, a few years ago. Even though this was clearly nothing to do with me, and was never actually even verified (despite being reported as fact by Nick Cohen in The Guardian), he seemingly held me personally responsible and repeatedly threatened me with police action.

This escalated to the extent that the FWA and the club themselves became involved. A long story short, we eventually asked for a crime reference number and said I would fully co-operate with any investigation, upon which it all went quiet.

He did, however, block me on Twitter and then sent an abusive text message late one night (he had my mobile number as a result of the aforementioned stuff). A strange episode, from a strange man. I hope he gets the help that he needs, but am glad that I no longer have any interaction with him.
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Christ mate, most of our fans can't even be arsed to stay beyond 85 minutes, never mind doorstep this clown in a remote part of Scotland ;)

It seems his bluff was well and truly called and he reverted to type again other other night when Stefen challenged his lies.

I'd go as far as to say he had a warped take on City well before his sad bereavement.

Don't engage with this guy, anyone.

You give him clicks and relevance in doing so.

Let him bark at the Blue Moon.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
It's pretty clear that Nick Harris and the Miguel Deleney guy have serious issues. Almost like a sad obsession. Something must have triggered their hate? The level of obsession is utterly weird and clearly not a good sign of their current mental health status.
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We are a better team than the redshit they support and they have been and clearly still are unable to deal with it.
 
Pablo ZZZ Peroni said:
Harris schooled by stefan yet again.


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'How MCFC attracted Haaland is of legitimate public interest'

I totally agree. That's why Haaland himself gets asked quite often, who Wouldn't want to know? And the responses are great, and public. The most recent from just this week below.

Speaking to CBS, the Norway striker said: "I knew I was going to score goals because, last season, how many did they [City] score? Probably 100.

"When I saw them without a striker and they were crossing the ball in, I was like 'ah, I'd love to be there!'
 
Ric said:
I think it’s in the public domain that Nick’s wife sadly passed away in 2020, and I can only imagine how devastating that was for him and his kids. I sent him a message of condolence at the time, as these things obviously transcend football rivalries.

Like you, I am however a little concerned about his mental state and increasingly erratic behaviour over the last couple of years.

There was an incident on Twitter that he claimed led to an act of alleged vandalism at his house, in a fairly remote part of Scotland, a few years ago. Even though this was clearly nothing to do with me, and was never actually even verified (despite being reported as fact by Nick Cohen in The Guardian), he seemingly held me personally responsible and repeatedly threatened me with police action.

This escalated to the extent that the FWA and the club themselves became involved. A long story short, we eventually asked for a crime reference number and said I would fully co-operate with any investigation, upon which it all went quiet.

He did, however, block me on Twitter and then sent an abusive text message late one night (he had my mobile number as a result of the aforementioned stuff). A strange episode, from a strange man. I hope he gets the help that he needs, but am glad that I no longer have any interaction with him.
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Well if his wife sadly died, that might go some way to explaining his obsession with City.

Its a well known fact that those that have gone through deep personal trauma often sufffer PTSD which in itself can lead to OCD. He probably needs some professional help.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Well if his wife sadly died, that might go some way to explaining his obsession with City.

Its a well known fact that those that have gone through deep personal trauma often sufffer PTSD which in itself can lead to OCD. He probably needs some professional help.
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He could have always been a bitter lunatic even before his sad bereavement.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Well if his wife sadly died, that might go some way to explaining his obsession with City.

Its a well known fact that those that have gone through deep personal trauma often sufffer PTSD which in itself can lead to OCD. He probably needs some professional help.
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He was an obsessed wanker well before it.
 
Ric said:
I think it’s in the public domain that Nick’s wife sadly passed away in 2020, and I can only imagine how devastating that was for him and his kids. I sent him a message of condolence at the time, as these things obviously transcend football rivalries.

Like you, I am however a little concerned about his mental state and increasingly erratic behaviour over the last couple of years.

There was an incident on Twitter that he claimed led to an act of alleged vandalism at his house, in a fairly remote part of Scotland, a few years ago. Even though this was clearly nothing to do with me, and was never actually even verified (despite being reported as fact by Nick Cohen in The Guardian), he seemingly held me personally responsible and repeatedly threatened me with police action.

This escalated to the extent that the FWA and the club themselves became involved. A long story short, we eventually asked for a crime reference number and said I would fully co-operate with any investigation, upon which it all went quiet.

He did, however, block me on Twitter and then sent an abusive text message late one night (he had my mobile number as a result of the aforementioned stuff). A strange episode, from a strange man. I hope he gets the help that he needs, but am glad that I no longer have any interaction with him.
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There’s clearly something wrong with the bloke. He blocked me for the only time I ever responded to one of his tweets. This is what I said.
Are you still in denial that Man City have had the most scrutinised accounts in the history of football and not one of the auditors or arbitration courts have found a problem.
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I didn’t even call him a ****.
 
Ric said:
I think it’s in the public domain that Nick’s wife sadly passed away in 2020, and I can only imagine how devastating that was for him and his kids. I sent him a message of condolence at the time, as these things obviously transcend football rivalries.

Like you, I am however a little concerned about his mental state and increasingly erratic behaviour over the last couple of years.

There was an incident on Twitter that he claimed led to an act of alleged vandalism at his house, in a fairly remote part of Scotland, a few years ago. Even though this was clearly nothing to do with me, and was never actually even verified (despite being reported as fact by Nick Cohen in The Guardian), he seemingly held me personally responsible and repeatedly threatened me with police action.

This escalated to the extent that the FWA and the club themselves became involved. A long story short, we eventually asked for a crime reference number and said I would fully co-operate with any investigation, upon which it all went quiet.

He did, however, block me on Twitter and then sent an abusive text message late one night (he had my mobile number as a result of the aforementioned stuff). A strange episode, from a strange man. I hope he gets the help that he needs, but am glad that I no longer have any interaction with him.
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Jesus Ric!

I knew about his wife, hence my previous post - which clearly I wouldn’t wish on anybody - but I had no idea about the whole vandalism situation.

The more you understand about the man, the more pitiful and genuinely pathetic his life appears to be. He’s clearly got some very serious problems, which should surely be the focus of his energies at the moment - for the good of his family.

It’s interesting that whenever the law comes into contact with his deranged fantasies, he’s dismissed out of hand.

Those in the mainstream media with an axe to grind against City, however, are clearly quite happy to use his unhinged behaviour as a convenient attack line against the Club with little concern for his wellbeing.

If they genuinely gave a shit, they should be getting him the help he needs rather than enabling his mania for their own ends.

I hope he is getting paid by someone to generate all this bile, otherwise he really is being taken for a mug by those in the mainstream media who actually have a proper job.

Still - I’m sorry you ended up getting dragged into his chaos. Sounds incredibly stressful, and completely undeserved, but at least you can be reassured you no longer have to have any interaction with him.
 
Shads said:
We did provide info from third parties including Etihad at CAS as it was helpful. I have no doubt the same material will be produced by those same third parties to the panel.
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Well yes, but if it wasn't presented to the investigation, could that be construed as non-cooperation with the investigation given that it was presented at CAS and presumably will be at the independent panel?

Otherwise I am struggling to see how a charge for non-cooperation could stick, given it appears the club have provided all the internal information that was asked for, even if it was after legal clarification.
 
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Shads said:
However the Al Jazira contract is nothing to do with Man City, it was between AJ and Mancini. We have no documents that relate to that contract. We cannot therefore provide them nor be accused of failing to provide them successfully.
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DS dropped a large data file in April last year with lots of documents.

There is a link in this post but you'll need to scroll down a bit:

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