PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Keeper! said:
And they both have owners that are prepared to dip into their pockets and invest in their business which appallingly is not allowed.
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It's not really clear what Everton have done. They may have over-reached themselves with the new stadium but that investment is exempt from FFP. However you can be sure they will not be treated fairly with a PL leadership that is in the pocket of LFC and MUFC.
The management/owners of LFC did a lot behnd the scenes to try a stifle Everton's expansion in their home city. Prominent people tried to strangle the stadium bid before it got going. Like MUFC, LFC they employ dirty tricks to influence politicians, planning authorities, the media
Stephen230 said:
Not just the biggest upset in football history but the biggest in gambling history across all sports.

5,000/1 at some bookmakers.

Compare that to the biggest known horse racing winner in history , anywhere in the world at 300/1.

It’s still barely believable.
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There was nothing bent about the way Leicester tore us apart at the Etihad. They were easily the best team we played that season and they were better than Spurs (who collapsed as usual). Other teams were in transition and Leicester grabbed their opportunity. Everything ran for us in 2017/18 and that's how we got 100 points with the last-gasp winner. Don't get me wrong. There is plenty of corruption in sport including bent refs and players but, personally, I don't think there are any grand conspiracies. That said I have seen decisions which were obviously dishonest (the most recent one being Atwell at the swamp this season). The Mike Riley Arsenal/United match was clearly corrupt as well.
 
Benzino said:
I don’t think he would get work off the back off that comment. The British sport media would not like something like that. He’s been ridiculed by every outlet and they’re talking about legal action. Nothing can really come of that though, as it’s one word against another. Which is why the interview is still up. He might be exaggerating certain points, like around the drinking, you’d hope. But he doesn’t strike me as lying. Personally I think he’s trying to minimise the details whilst still telling a story. I think he was foolish to say it, but then again he looks like he regrets it instantly. But he’s not come out and said it wasn’t true, despite the legal threats.
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I’m not suggesting he invented the story as part of some big plan to get work. But there are hundreds of ex pros, relatively young men in their late 30s/ early 40s, qualified to do nothing but chat about football. All competing for work. A controversial story on a podcast, that gets a bit of publicity isn’t the worst idea to get your name out there.

My best guess would not be that he totally invented the whole tale. But that he vaguely recalls a referee making a jokey comment which could loosely be seen as controversial and embellished it to turn it in this story.
 
Benzino said:
I don’t think he would get work off the back off that comment. The British sport media would not like something like that. He’s been ridiculed by every outlet and they’re talking about legal action. Nothing can really come of that though, as it’s one word against another. Which is why the interview is still up. He might be exaggerating certain points, like around the drinking, you’d hope. But he doesn’t strike me as lying. Personally I think he’s trying to minimise the details whilst still telling a story. I think he was foolish to say it, but then again he looks like he regrets it instantly. But he’s not come out and said it wasn’t true, despite the legal threats.
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I'm confused. They're cheating to make Leicester, Leicester! pl champions. Not UTD not lfc, not arsenal, but little old Leicester?

How did Leicester get so much more influence than those two. And why have they not done it again?

I mean you're saying the refs had been bought?
 
projectriver said:
That’s not correct. In the same way City’s FFP breaches (some of the City’s charges are FFP) are detailed as being specific breaches of Rule E, Everton’s could also be.

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Further, Everton’s announcement specifically refers to acting in good faith which suggests, like City, the allegation is more than a mere technical breach. In any event, the contrast between how the matters are described is interesting.

And what do you mean by “that’s all”. FFP breaches have been used as a stick to beat City for 10 YEARS. So let’s not rush to discount Everton’s alleged breaches. They deserve everything that’s coming to them as an architect of the stupid rules that now bite them.
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I wasn't discounting anything - it seems to me that they're being investigated for breaching FFP allowances for one three year period - losing more than 105M in 3 years.

I don't know for certain which rule numbers apply (I'd guess it's E.49); I just don't think it's significant that none have been cited except from those for the commission process.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
I'm confused. They're cheating to make Leicester, Leicester! pl champions. Not UTD not lfc, not arsenal, but little old Leicester?

How did Leicester get so much more influence than those two. And why have they not done it again?

I mean you're saying the refs had been bought?
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A new champion every 6 years was the grand plan wasn't it?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Over one game yes, over a season in this day and age, not so much.

But it's OK, we don't have to agree, and I am not saying there was a great conspiracy, I am just saying an outlier like that in many other sports could be investigated.
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A lot of stars aligned the season that Leicester won -

Every one of the usual title contenders had very poor seasons at the same time.

They'd picked up Mahrez and Kante for a pittance - an absolute coup in terms of transfers, and both now, deservedly, have multiple title wins.

Vardy is a great player who peaked at exactly the right time.

They played very few games that season - ten less than most of their rivals. After October 2015, they had just two non Premier League games all season. If you look at the squad stats, they didn't play that many minutes, and played virtually the same team each week. For comparison, Rodri has already played more minutes this season, than all but one Leicester player in the entirety of that year.

Tactically they hit a bit of a sweet spot in Premier League terms - where the bus parking/counter attacking model was benefiting the smaller teams. The bigger clubs hadn't as much experience of playing against total defence every week, while the money in the game meant that most clubs could afford to bring in great attackers who were capable of breakaway goals. Leicester lucked out with Vardy and Mahrez that season, who could win games while their team mates could sit back.

I also wouldn't rule out a few favourable decisions (more likely unconscious bias, rather than deliberate). Everyone wanted them to win, and they were much less likely to come up against a ref who had any grudge, or who'd had a run in with their manager in the past.

They'd also broken FFP in the Championship to move up into the PL, and were one of the higher spenders amongst the "rest of the PL".

The extra money from the PL win/CL entry obviously helped them for a couple of years too. If you look at the Deloitte money league, they reached as high as 14th based on their 2016/17 accounts - with £271m a year - way ahead of anyone else outside the big six, so it's not a surprise they continued to be successful for a while. In comparison Spurs had revenue of £359m that year, which isn't a huge gulf. The latest accounts tell a different story and have Spurs on £523m, while Leicester are back down to £255m (Still rich in world football terms, but within a few seasons the potential to compete with the rich six has become much more difficult).

For me, they were just hit that sweet spot for one year, and it's no surprise couldn't keep it up, as financial realities caught up with them, and their best players passed their peak (Vardy, Schmeichel), or were sold (Kante, Mahrez).
 
Stephen230 said:
I’m not suggesting he invented the story as part of some big plan to get work. But there are hundreds of ex pros, relatively young men in their late 30s/ early 40s, qualified to do nothing but chat about football. All competing for work. A controversial story on a podcast, that gets a bit of publicity isn’t the worst idea to get your name out there.

My best guess would not be that he totally invented the whole tale. But that he vaguely recalls a referee making a jokey comment which could loosely be seen as controversial and embellished it to turn it in this story.
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It’s not bullshit it’s entirely consistent with Clattengurgd behaviour. This is the same ref who said he deliberately made Spurs implode.
 
cheekybids said:
It’s not bullshit it’s entirely consistent with Clattengurgd behaviour. This is the same ref who said he deliberately made Spurs implode.
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No he didn’t. There’s a subtle but notable difference between deliberately making Spurs implode by his decisions and allowing them to implode, which is what he actually said.

Not the cleverest thing to go public with admittedly but certainly not an admission of cheating, which seems to be the suggestion here.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
I wasn't discounting anything - it seems to me that they're being investigated for breaching FFP allowances for one three year period - losing more than 105M in 3 years.

I don't know for certain which rule numbers apply (I'd guess it's E.49); I just don't think it's significant that none have been cited except from those for the commission process.
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Exactly - "seems"/"guess". We don't know. And Everton specifically refer to good faith in their statement inferring more than a technical breach. But the key point is we don't know.

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Gorton_Tubster said:
I'm confused. They're cheating to make Leicester, Leicester! pl champions. Not UTD not lfc, not arsenal, but little old Leicester?

How did Leicester get so much more influence than those two. And why have they not done it again?

I mean you're saying the refs had been bought?
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I thought it was part of the pl plan to have a different winner ever 6 years
 
cheekybids said:
No you were saying that Simpson has made it up & I said it’s not because it’s consistent with Clattenburg saying stupid shite in public.
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I meant Simpson’s statement was effectively an allegation that he cheated. Not your comment about the Tottenham game.

As I said, my guess is that Simpson hasn’t completely made it up. He’s probably retold a tale, that by his own admission he only has a sketchy memory of, and embellished it to make it a more interesting anecdote.
 
Stephen230 said:
I meant Simpson’s statement was effectively an allegation that he cheated. Not your comment about the Tottenham game.

As I said, my guess is that Simpson hasn’t completely made it up. He’s probably retold a tale, that by his own admission he only has a sketchy memory of, and embellished it to make it a more interesting anecdote.
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why? the conversation was about momentum, everything going their way & the world behind them & he told that story.

I don’t see what’s far fetched or sketchy.
 
argyle said:
During the 20 years of success (spit) for the rags they were always tagged with being favoured by the refs and the league. It never did their profile any harm.

There will always be rival fans who will find anything to diminish the success of other teams.

Some on here said Leicester were doping cheats etc.
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I always found the Leicester stuff especially annoying, not necessarily because there wasn’t some truth in it (I honestly don’t know one way or the other) but because some people asserted it (if true) like it was the only factor. It shows a remarkable lack of insight in relation to professional team sport. If it was that easy then there would be more Leicesters.

There were clearly a number of factors at play. Some people want straightforward answers to complex situations.
 
"Corruption" conjures up images of gangsters with violin cases carrying out the orders of ruthless mobsters before picking up brown envelopes stuffed with cash from well educated, well spoken millionaires over a glass of single malt. Corruption in football doesn't seem to me to conform to this pattern. I think it grows out of the divisions in the game which were very real and are still very real. In the early years of last century the growth of professionalism divided the game and City were "too professional" for the taste of the authorities. The crisis of 1904-6 was sparked by charges of match fixing by a "gentleman" who captained Villa aimed at Billy Meredith, a professional "superstar". Investigations of City's books found many violations of the rules (!!) which had not been found the year before (!). The club was nearly ruined without any real evidence being produced, but what is just as interesting was that all this worked far more to the benefit of Manchester United than any other club! They won 2 championships and an FA cup with players who had played for City until banned after 1904! This is a theme of English football. There has always been an establishment; it is true that its membership has changed and that Aston Villa are nowhere near the establishment club they were before 1914, but certain clubs have maintained their influence, for some reason, over a long period. Manchester United have always had a cosy relationship with the football authorities, Arsenal emerged in the 1930s (despite their seedy manger) with their carefully chosen aristocratic board and Liverpool have enjoyed a long period of respect while talking platitudinous nonsense. All this has led to a state of affairs where the players of the establishment are held "to play the game" and are, subconsciously or otherwise refereed to a different standard to that applied to the vulgar representatives of a nouveau oil rich club of no breeding. Thus Adebayor is an oik who has taunted loyal Arsenal fans into flattening a steward whereas Henry is an honourable player merely celebrating a goal. Mitrovic is a thug threatening a referee, not at all the same as Fernandes. We can also see it in the way Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United have dominated executive positions in the football authorities. Manchester Cuty are still what they have always been - outsiders to be distrusted and neutered.
 
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