Liverpool bus damaged on journey back from Etihad Stadium today

Chelsea accused of chants now so this will soon blow over.

As for the bus incident, it looks like one missile from a random person. What’s the City connection?

I wonder if Dipper fans ever wonder why nobody loves them?
 
jackl31 said:
It hasn't. We don't live in a Chinese state imposing censorship. It's on the news whenever there's a significant anniversary. You can Google the word Heysel and all the information is there - what else do you want?
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You can Google mark lawrenson on Heysel and it will take you to a 13 minute video with notes dipper mr Lawrenson saying it is never mentioned snd he doesn’t know why. Of course you can Google the event and find out what happened but when is it ever actually mentioned? And why? Sniff sniff
 
BringBackSwales said:
You can Google mark lawrenson on Heysel and it will take you to a 13 minute video with notes dipper mr Lawrenson saying it is never mentioned snd he doesn’t know why. Of course you can Google the event and find out what happened but when is it ever actually mentioned? And why? Sniff sniff
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It's quite a leap from that to say it's been airbrushed from history. When is it ever mentioned? I just told you. Also, people are supposedly chanting about it whenever we play Liverpool. Sniff sniff to you too
 
BringBackSwales said:
You said that Heysel hadn’t been airbrushed from history. It effectively has
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Whilst I agree that it has been largely buried. It's worth reading this piece from the Guardian by Ed Vulliamy. Carries more weight given the fact that he is a respected journalist, war correspondent and lifelong Liverpool supporter.

www.theguardian.com

Heysel stadium disaster: ‘I saw the rows of bodies piled high’

The 1985 tragedy preceded Hillsborough by four years – but saw little of the same attention. Ed Vulliamy, who was there in the stands, reports on 30 years of hurt
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
jackl31 said:
What do you want to see that isn't happening now
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I think a few might answer: How about some accountability for a fanbase that is brown nosed and pandered to by the UK press and sports broadcasters? How about the damage that the consequences of their actions caused to english football in the 80s is acknowledged(should they be lauded and pandered to as a fanbase to the extent they are?), instead of that club and their fanbase being held up as something they are not all the time? Like they've only ever been a good example for English football.

Most of this was before I was following football, but if they really were saying it was Chelsea fans and acting like they were hard done by. While other english clubs and fans(the whole league were set back by this) were tarnished and punished along with them, then it's understandable where their reputation comes from.
 
Metalartin said:
I think a few might answer: How about some accountability for a fanbase that is brown nosed and pandered to by the UK press and sports broadcasters? How about the damage that the consequences of their actions caused to english football in the 80s is acknowledged instead, of being that club and their fanbase being held up as something they are not all the time? Like they've only ever been a good example for English football. Most of this was before I was following football, but if they really were saying it was Chelsea fans and acting like they were hard done by. While other english clubs and fans were tarnished and punished along with them, then it's understandable where their reputation comes from.
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Maybe the same or equal coverage of the Bradford fire and the Heysel killings as Hillsborough gets would start the ball rolling.
 
Metalartin said:
I think a few might answer: How about some accountability for a fanbase that is brown nosed and pandered to by the UK press and sports broadcasters? How about the damage that the consequences of their actions caused to english football in the 80s is acknowledged(should they be lauded and pandered to as a fanbase to the extent they are?), instead of being that club and their fanbase being held up as something they are not all the time? Like they've only ever been a good example for English football.

Most of this was before I was following football, but if they really were saying it was Chelsea fans and acting like they were hard done by. While other english clubs and fans(the whole league were set back by this) were tarnished and punished along with them, then it's understandable where their reputation comes from.
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They were blaming Chelsea fans. Not surprisingly Chelsea fans of a certain age are still a bit miffed.
 
Metalartin said:
I think a few might answer: How about some accountability for a fanbase that is brown nosed and pandered to by the UK press and sports broadcasters? How about the damage that the consequences of their actions caused to english football in the 80s is acknowledged(should they be lauded and pandered to as a fanbase to the extent they are?), instead of that club and their fanbase being held up as something they are not all the time? Like they've only ever been a good example for English football.

Most of this was before I was following football, but if they really were saying it was Chelsea fans and acting like they were hard done by. While other english clubs and fans(the whole league were set back by this) were tarnished and punished along with them, then it's understandable where their reputation comes from.
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It has all gone through the legal system and a number of Liverpool fans were convicted. I don't understand what else you would want to see happen? I would agree with you if no one had been charged but that isn't the case. What you've mentioned there seems to be more about a media bias towards atmosphere at anfield etc which is completely unrelated to this
 
mexico1970 said:
Maybe the same or equal coverage of the Bradford fire and the Heysel killings as Hillsborough gets would start the ball rolling.
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If I have to explain to you why they get different levels of coverage then there is no point debating this
 
jackl31 said:
If I have to explain to you why they get different levels of coverage then there is no point debating this
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That's what people are complaining about, and of course the protection the scouse scum get over this and what appears to be anything else.

You're analysing something that doesn't need analysing. In fact you're almost analising it.
 
mexico1970 said:
That's what people are complaining about, and of course the protection the scouse scum get over this and what appears to be anything else.

You're analysing something that doesn't need analysing. In fact you're almost analising it.
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Why do you think Hillsborough gets more coverage than Heysel? Genuinely want to get your honest answer
 
I should also say I didn't write that post because I'm in favour of the never your fault chant, because some people are referring to Hillsborough when they chant it. Wasn't there a tweet of an idiot counting/miming the number of casualties as he sang it? We can't ignore shit like that.

The other reason I don't like it, is because it gives them an easy out/free pass for their own fanbase's behaviour. Was it this season or last, that they used it as an excuse for that young West Ham fan who got jumped by a group of Liverpool supporters? They just claim someone was chanting it and nobody wants to go near it or question it.

Same with recent ticket issue for the CL final, there was no way anyone was going to call out those Liverpool fans who went to that game knowing their ticket was a fake... Some of those individuals knowingly deprived their own fans of a seat they'd legitimately reserved and paid full whack for.

I don't really think a new Heysel chant is the way to go about it either though. I'm not sure what word I'm looking for that articulates it best to be honest(similar to glorification but more relevant to this). It just doesn't seem right if your motivation is just to rile up or get one over on a rival, more than actually caring about the issue. Using a tragedy as a means to an end.

Maybe a banner that can't be misconstrued, that spells out why their fans are seen as such whiny hypocrites. And a strong hint for the media to stop pandering and give balanced coverage across the board for once. It goes beyond stadium tragedies really doesn't it? It's every time a big game is on with any trouble, they're way more interested in what the opposition has done wrong.
 
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jackl31 said:
Why do you think Hillsborough gets more coverage than Heysel? Genuinely want to get your honest answer
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The real question would be why does Hillsborough get more coverage than lets say the Bradford fire? Do we have wall to wall coverage of the Zebrugge disaster or the Aberfan horror?? No we don't now why is that?

Together with the Munich air crash both the rags and scousers have monetised their tragedies in an almost religious sense, they are in fact untouchable and when they claim that they have been offended then they must have been offended.

The scousers have welded Hillsborough onto the Heysel incident to prevent other fans from reminding the feral scum where their moral compass lies.
 
jackl31 said:
It has all gone through the legal system and a number of Liverpool fans were convicted. I don't understand what else you would want to see happen? I would agree with you if no one had been charged but that isn't the case. What you've mentioned there seems to be more about a media bias towards atmosphere at anfield etc which is completely unrelated to this
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It's the attitude of the fanbase that is enabled by the pandering of the press, they are hand in hand. I think you're being a bit disingenuous about this. That whole fanbase is treated differently than pretty much any other club's IMO. I've already said I'm not in favour of chants about it but I don't think we should forget all about it just because some people were charged either.
 
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