Liverpool bus damaged on journey back from Etihad Stadium today

“Fans were penned in and sprayed with tear gas outside the Stade de France as kick-off was delayed by 36 minutes.

Law firm Leigh Day has issued Uefa with a group personal injury claim.

The Liverpool-based firm issued the claim on behalf of 887 clients at the Liverpool District Registry of the High Court on Monday”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65195509
Who are Leigh Day? “Ambulance Chasers” says this from 2017.

https://www.legalcheek.com/2017/02/solicitor-of-the-year-turned-army-ambulance-chaser-is-struck-off/
 
BamberBridgeBlue said:
It seems that you are suggesting they have the copyright on the word victim to be used solely for Hillsborough. The word victim is from the Latin Victima first used in Ancient Rome. It was used in a Biblical sense to describe one who endured torture and or death for their beliefs. Therefore the most significant early victim was Jesus Christ. In the late 16th century the word became used more often in legal terminology and describe those who had a medical condition. The word is also used in commonly used phrases such as a victim of their own success.

Sorry, but saying victim is inherently linked to Hillsborough is fucking bollocks. Go and gaslight someone else.
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And Munich is a city of 6m people founded in the 12th century but if you sing songs about Munich to United fans we all know what you’re referencing.

No one is claiming they have unique ownership of the word victim, but if you start singing a song about Liverpool fans that becomes popular when it’s sung 3 days after the independent hillsborough inquiry ruled that the people who died were victims and not accidental deaths, then you’re not kidding anyone.
 
mancityvstoke said:
This was always a Utd v LFC thing until Utd went to shit and we became their rivals.

Until then we were just Shipmans victims to them.

Apparently Harold Shipman killed my Gran.

Or that's what they chanted right at me in 111 years ago.

Focus on what they've done not on us.
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I dont remember it being sung at City until the 5-0 when Mane was sent off. What I recall about that day is that when Ederson was being stretchered off with an oxygen mask on his face on his way towards 13 stitches in his face, the Liverpool fans booed him.

That was the trigger that led to a response of 'it's never your fault', which, I am happy to confirm, I joined in. It was not about Hillsborough, nor Heysel for that matter. It was about an attitude. That attitude is summed up entirely both in the words sung and in the 'offended by everything ashamed of nothing; criticism.

And when I think of what they sing, like the Shipman song and the Munich song, but then cry foul about a song that isn't about Hillsborough, it reminds me of why that attitude pisses off so many people, not just fans of our club.
 
1961_vintage said:
Fixed.
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I’ve lived in South Wales, Hereford, Manchester, London, Liverpool and Wirral. That’s the worst I’ve seen tonight.

My first trip to Liverpool ever was to meet a girl to go to the Krazyhouse. I waited for her at Lime Street. Within minutes I was pestered for spare change and then a fight broke out over a stolen piece of jewellery.
 
Chris in London said:
I dont remember it being sung at City until the 5-0 when Mane was sent off. What I recall about that day is that when Ederson was being stretchered off with an oxygen mask on his face on his way towards 13 stitches in his face, the Liverpool fans booed him.

That was the trigger that led to a response of 'it's never your fault', which, I am happy to confirm, I joined in. It was not about Hillsborough, nor Heysel for that matter. It was about an attitude. That attitude is summed up entirely both in the words sung and in the 'offended by everything ashamed of nothing; criticism.

And when I think of what they sing, like the Shipman song and the Munich song, but then cry foul about a song that isn't about Hillsborough, it reminds me of why that attitude pisses off so many people, not just fans of our club.
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The Mané game was 4/5 years after the song goes mainstream and starts getting criticised for being about Hillsborough.

You can’t adopt another club’s song 5 years after it’s written and claim everyone who has been condemning the song for years is wrong and actually you’ve decided it means something else.
 
domalino said:
The Mané game was 4/5 years after the song goes mainstream and starts getting criticised for being about Hillsborough.

You can’t adopt another club’s song 5 years after it’s written and claim everyone who has been condemning the song for years is wrong and actually you’ve decided it means something else.
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Please name a single example of the song being sung at City before the Mane incident
 
domalino said:
And Munich is a city of 6m people founded in the 12th century but if you sing songs about Munich to United fans we all know what you’re referencing.

No one is claiming they have unique ownership of the word victim, but if you start singing a song about Liverpool fans that becomes popular when it’s sung 3 days after the independent hillsborough inquiry ruled that the people who died were victims and not accidental deaths, then you’re not kidding anyone.
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The parallel is shit. Victim is just part of everyday language. Although Culture Club released “Victims” six years prior to Hillsborough but presumably went on to perform the song post Hillsborough. Should Boy George apologise as he couldn’t prove a nodding acquaintance to any of the Hillsborough victims let alone claim the band knew them so well? Of course not.

15 all on shit analogies.
 
DenisHasDoneIt said:
“Fans were penned in and sprayed with tear gas outside the Stade de France as kick-off was delayed by 36 minutes.

Law firm Leigh Day has issued Uefa with a group personal injury claim.

The Liverpool-based firm issued the claim on behalf of 887 clients at the Liverpool District Registry of the High Court on Monday”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65195509
Who are Leigh Day? “Ambulance Chasers” says this from 2017.

https://www.legalcheek.com/2017/02/solicitor-of-the-year-turned-army-ambulance-chaser-is-struck-off/
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Ambulance chasing sub-human scum.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Not been on the thread for a while.

Have any pictures of the damage to the bus been released and has @domalino answered my question yet?
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I've ordered a £7.99 red touch up pen to repair the substantial damage on the Dipper coach , just addressed it to The Victims , Liverpool , Murkyside , didnt know the post code but i am sure the posty will find it.
 
Chris in London said:
Please name a single example of the song being sung at City before the Mane incident
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what’s that got to do with my comment? I can give you dozens of news articles condemning the song for being about hillsborough before the Mane incident.

The song was well known and widely condemned for being linked to hillsborough before City fans picked it up.

You can’t start singing it and claim it’s meaning is suddenly completely different.
 
domalino said:
what’s that got to do with my comment? I can give you dozens of news articles condemning the song for being about hillsborough before the Mane incident.

The song was well known and widely condemned for being linked to hillsborough before City fans picked it up.

You can’t start singing it and claim it’s meaning is suddenly completely different.
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It was sung at City, for the first time so far as I know, as an immediate and direct response to an incident that involved LFC fans booing a player for (as they apparently perceived it) getting one of their team sent off when the reality of the situation was that Ederson had just been very seriously injured by Mane, hence the stretcher, the oxygen mask etc.

The words of the song 'always the victim, its never your fault' were a direct response to that and only that. How often before had that song been sung by City? Never, seems to be the answer. If it was a reference to Hillsborough, choosing to sing it for the first time just then would be particularly perverse, not least given the impeccable attitude demonstrated by City fans at Anfield on the 25th anniversary of Hillsborough itself.

So how dare you assume you have the right to pontificate on what any City fan meant, or should be taken to have meant, or should sing, or should be taken to have intended when they sang it? How dare you tell any City fan that was pissed off by that attitude what they can and cannot sing?

I can, and do, claim to know what was going through the minds of the City crowd on that particular day because I was part of it. No matter who sang it before, no matter what was going through their minds, I can claim it meant something different when we sang it that day because it did mean something different. Can you claim to know what the crowd that day meant by that song?

On that note, who first sang 'City's going down with a billion in the bank'? Clue: it wasn't us, it was a team that plays in red not many miles away. And that song, just like always the victims, means something very different when we sing it.
 
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Blue Mist said:
When Michael Shields was convicted of Attempted Murder by a Bulgarian court, Liverpool fans decided to wage a campaign to free him. They recruited politicians and church leaders, all of whom said he was innocent. They set about forcing an innocent man to admit to the attack, the confession was so false even Shields solicitor refused to rely on it. The campaign group even used banners that spanned the width of the Kop to protest his innocence, this act is actually against Premier League rules but for some reason, they weren't punished, so they did it again. Eventually they 'forced' Jack Straw' to issue a 'Queens Pardon' and he was freed. There is not one bit of evidence that shows Shields is/was innocent.
This campaign highlights, to me, what 'Always the Victims' is about. It is always someone else to blame, whether it is attempt murder, robbing your own of Champs League tickets, Paris, Heysel, fountains in Madrid, racist 't' shirts on players etc etc etc.
It started with Heysel where they blamed Chelsea fans amongst many but it has gone on every year since then.
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It also showed the clubs 2 assets, intimidation & lobbying.

They threatened to withdraw support from a labour stronghold, sounds like blackmail, it was. Free Shields or lose the upcoming election.
 
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