North Stand Construction Discussion

blueparrot said:
They may not even be that well off they might just have £500/600 spare a year they choose to spend on premium seats. Money fans in other seats with the same income choose to spend on other stuff.
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I don’t smoke, drink, go out for meals. I’m disabled now and in a wheelchair. So my only enjoyment is supporting City. I’m no way posh or well off.
 
jrb said:
I can only keep on repeating myself, apologies, just like others, that this isn’t the location for a hospitality section if City really wanted to create a proper, loud and vociferous home end, where fans can stand and support the team throughout the match.
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That is now exactly what you are doing. I don't get how someone that has read so much on this and gone through so much of what is a available, can be so attached to one single outlook that you just can't help coming back to.

'The club shafted the supporters, ignored the questionnaires, stuck a 'corporate' section bang in the middle of the ground to price out normal fans and fill it with posh cunts who won't sing, and kill the atmosphere of the stadium.'

Then you get numerous posters offering you all sorts of possible (and likely) alternative takes, from real life experiences.
-you are speculating, the fans may not yet know the full intentions.
- the club may not yet know the full intentions
- fans that use joes/93.20 are still fans, they still contribute to the atmosphere.
-the price difference isn't the same degree as corporate
- it is set up as fluid and flexible, it says both hospitality AND GA (unlike other obvious hospitality areas).
- actually uses the description 'joes'.
- the seats are not shown any bigger or any further apart, literally the only difference is a direct access to a different bar
- that bar itself is laid out as just a basic bar, not a restaurant or corporate booths etc.
- the proposals may well predate the consultations with fans
- way too insignificant a change to make in a submission of this scale and complexity
- even if not, but unsure, probably easier to include now in the application than to add in, so including as a long term option to be decided later
- shows options for future safe standing
- there is 3 years to go yet, a lot can happen.
- demographics and ability to spend are not strictly linked or linnear. You get 18 year olds in GA glued to the fucking match day thread on their phone, you get focs in premium singing their hearts out.
- there are people half our age, that can spend a lot more money than us, so this image you have of older posh fans that don't take part is a bit singular.
- it is not corporate, it is hospitality.


And after ALL that, where do you find yourself right back?

'the club shafted the supporters, ignored questionnaires, the posh cunts will ruin the atmosphere for 'normal' fans'.



Maybe you are right. I'm open to all or some of the above also being right, and will see in 3+ years.
 
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Manchester33 said:
How can you say it’s ‘normal’ fans? It’s not… it’s fans who can afford stupid prices for shite food and an extra comfy, padded seat.

‘Normal’ fans don’t spend that much. ‘Normal’ fans do not buy a hospitality season ticket.

We already have tons of ‘hospitality’ and they are the most sparsely attended areas of the stadium - hardly conducive to a good atmosphere!!
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Why the anger & hostility ?

What is your description of a 'normal' fan....SSL1,2or3.
ES1,2or3. NS Family ?

Someone who was born in Moss Side,Moston or Mossley ?

York away or Milwall away ?

There's no such thing as a 'normal' City fan cos we're all different in different ways. In fact to be a City fan we all have to be a bit 'abnormal'

My brothers and mates have 11 season tiks and go home, away & abroad. First game in 1958. We consider ourselves to be 'normal' but we're all different.

From time to time we've all done hospitality through suppliers and found it to be best in class and an enjoyable experience.

NS2 would be better without hospitality,however if it does proceed, I think it will be very popular and atmospheric for 'normal'people.

If its not the club will change it as they have done with other features over time. They don't reinforce failure
!!

I might even give it ago and start the Poznan.

Yours normally.
 
Gone for a Burton said:
Why the anger & hostility ?

What is your description of a 'normal' fan....SSL1,2or3.
ES1,2or3. NS Family ?

Someone who was born in Moss Side,Moston or Mossley ?

York away or Milwall away ?

There's no such thing as a 'normal' City fan cos we're all different in different ways. In fact to be a City fan we all have to be a bit 'abnormal'

My brothers and mates have 11 season tiks and go home, away & abroad. First game in 1958. We consider ourselves to be 'normal' but we're all different.

From time to time we've all done hospitality through suppliers and found it to be best in class and an enjoyable experience.

NS2 would be better without hospitality,however if it does proceed, I think it will be very popular and atmospheric for 'normal'people.

If its not the club will change it as they have done with other features over time. They don't reinforce failure
!!

I might even give it ago and start the Poznan.

Yours normally.
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I'm not angry at all (just disappointed lol).

I can't stress enough that this is our last opportunity to create a brilliant atmosphere at the Etihad. The new North Stand could be our Yellow Wall. It was pitched to us as such.

Remembering we can put extra hospitality seats anywhere else in the ground, why would we put them in two of the most crucial parts of the new North Stand?

The seats at the front are key for linking NSL1+2. With that buffer of quieter fans (yes - hospitality seats ARE quieter than GA, any argument otherwise is pedantic) will fragment those tiers so we'll end up with what we currently have (SSL1 and SSL3 completely out of sync because they can't hear each other).

The seats on the back rows set the tone. The songs start from the back and carry forward.

So, again, my point is this... Why would the club put those hospitality seats (particularly the ones at the front) there? Why not along the sides or in the South Stand? If it HAS to go in NSL2, why not bunch it into one of the corners? Why does it need to be in such a prominent, important area?

Ultimately, (let's say those seats generate an extra £1k each per season) is the extra £650k per year worth it (to an organisation that makes hundreds of millions of £s pa)?

It's complete and utter greed and to insinuate that your average 25 year old City fan and his mates are going to buy tickets there is laughable - yes, you might be able to afford it now, but could you when you were a kid on the Kippax making a racket?
 
Manchester33 said:
I'm not angry at all (just disappointed lol).

I can't stress enough that this is our last opportunity to create a brilliant atmosphere at the Etihad. The new North Stand could be our Yellow Wall. It was pitched to us as such.

Remembering we can put extra hospitality seats anywhere else in the ground, why would we put them in two of the most crucial parts of the new North Stand?

The seats at the front are key for linking NSL1+2. With that buffer of quieter fans (yes - hospitality seats ARE quieter than GA, any argument otherwise is pedantic) will fragment those tiers so we'll end up with what we currently have (SSL1 and SSL3 completely out of sync because they can't hear each other).

The seats on the back rows set the tone. The songs start from the back and carry forward.

So, again, my point is this... Why would the club put those hospitality seats (particularly the ones at the front) there? Why not along the sides or in the South Stand? If it HAS to go in NSL2, why not bunch it into one of the corners? Why does it need to be in such a prominent, important area?

Ultimately, (let's say those seats generate an extra £1k each per season) is the extra £650k per year worth it (to an organisation that makes hundreds of millions of £s pa)?

It's complete and utter greed and to insinuate that your average 25 year old City fan and his mates are going to buy tickets there is laughable - yes, you might be able to afford it now, but could you when you were a kid on the Kippax making a racket?
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I'll have a sporting wager with you that IF, that section is included, it becomes a sell out every game with 'singers' who stand.

Lads and dads and grandads from 5 to 75.

Stay in touch
 
I think the hotel could end up a nybrutalist classic, but would prefer bauhaus myself.

People would complain if it was the Pompidou Centre. But I will doth my cap to the hotel design experts on here
 
Corky said:
I think the hotel could end up a nybrutalist classic, but would prefer bauhaus myself.

People would complain if it was the Pompidou Centre. But I will doth my cap to the hotel design experts on here
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I think it's quite lazy. They're linking it to sails from the ship in our crest. Come on, they can do better?

Why not extend the City Centre contrast between old mills/modern glass? I'm no architect (clearly lol) but couldn't 'City Mill' be a better theme - glass cladding fan zone next to a Victorian themed hotel for example. That contrast of Old-heavy industry/modern sleek cladding is something people would associate with Manchester IMO.

(For want of better examples).

stock-photo-manchester-uk-november-victorian-commercial-building-manchester-november-164485217.jpg

deansgate.png
 
Manchester33 said:
I think it's quite lazy. They're linking it to sails from the ship in our crest. Come on, they can do better?

Why not extend the City Centre contrast between old mills/modern glass? I'm no architect (clearly lol) but couldn't 'City Mill' be a better theme - glass cladding fan zone next to a Victorian themed hotel for example. That contrast of Old-heavy industry/modern sleek cladding is something people would associate with Manchester IMO.

(For want of better examples).

stock-photo-manchester-uk-november-victorian-commercial-building-manchester-november-164485217.jpg

deansgate.png
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding but do you think the two photos above look good in some way?
 
Manchester33 said:
I think it's quite lazy. They're linking it to sails from the ship in our crest. Come on, they can do better?

Why not extend the City Centre contrast between old mills/modern glass? I'm no architect (clearly lol) but couldn't 'City Mill' be a better theme - glass cladding fan zone next to a Victorian themed hotel for example. That contrast of Old-heavy industry/modern sleek cladding is something people would associate with Manchester IMO.

(For want of better examples).

stock-photo-manchester-uk-november-victorian-commercial-building-manchester-november-164485217.jpg

deansgate.png
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I'm not that bothered but the new hotel design is better than both those examples.
 
Manchester33 said:
I think it's quite lazy. They're linking it to sails from the ship in our crest. Come on, they can do better?

Why not extend the City Centre contrast between old mills/modern glass? I'm no architect (clearly lol) but couldn't 'City Mill' be a better theme - glass cladding fan zone next to a Victorian themed hotel for example. That contrast of Old-heavy industry/modern sleek cladding is something people would associate with Manchester IMO.

(For want of better examples).

stock-photo-manchester-uk-november-victorian-commercial-building-manchester-november-164485217.jpg

deansgate.png
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The cost, I would love high rise and multi-stories made out of Accrington Brick like the Empire State building but that was almost 100 years ago and it doesn't happen anymore. Plus architecture should reflect the time in which a building is built according to some.
 
Manchester33 said:
I'm not angry at all (just disappointed lol).

I can't stress enough that this is our last opportunity to create a brilliant atmosphere at the Etihad. The new North Stand could be our Yellow Wall. It was pitched to us as such.

Remembering we can put extra hospitality seats anywhere else in the ground, why would we put them in two of the most crucial parts of the new North Stand?

The seats at the front are key for linking NSL1+2. With that buffer of quieter fans (yes - hospitality seats ARE quieter than GA, any argument otherwise is pedantic) will fragment those tiers so we'll end up with what we currently have (SSL1 and SSL3 completely out of sync because they can't hear each other).

The seats on the back rows set the tone. The songs start from the back and carry forward.

So, again, my point is this... Why would the club put those hospitality seats (particularly the ones at the front) there? Why not along the sides or in the South Stand? If it HAS to go in NSL2, why not bunch it into one of the corners? Why does it need to be in such a prominent, important area?

Ultimately, (let's say those seats generate an extra £1k each per season) is the extra £650k per year worth it (to an organisation that makes hundreds of millions of £s pa)?

It's complete and utter greed and to insinuate that your average 25 year old City fan and his mates are going to buy tickets there is laughable - yes, you might be able to afford it now, but could you when you were a kid on the Kippax making a racket?
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I don't particularly disagree with any of that. Other than, you have skipped 3 years into the future. This is by no means a done thing.

edit, lets flip it. The application doesn't involve any hospitality in that front area, and it is just a bar behind it, not coloured in purple. Everyone is happy, we can all pat each others on the back and look forward to this last chance atmospheric end.

Skip 3 years ahead and the club decide to use it for hospitality, out of nowhere.

Just because it is in this submission now, doesn't mean it is what you speculate. Just as if it wasnt, doesn't mean it can't happen in the future.
 
Corky said:
I think the hotel could end up a nybrutalist classic, but would prefer bauhaus myself.

People would complain if it was the Pompidou Centre. But I will doth my cap to the hotel design experts on here
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lol
 
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