PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Ducado]

The issue about non cooperation I can see the clubs points, the people who want to crawl all over the books and the inside dealings of the club are the clubs commercial competitors why would the club want them doing that?

This is the problem with internal regulation, it rarely works on this scale because there are too many competing interests, as I understand the club supports the idea of having an independent regulator free from the accusation of bias, some clubs are dead set against it I wonder why?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Thanks for posting that it is very informative. Maybe also this is why there are rumours about City making objections now about the formation of the panel. This could be the club taking steps to minimise the risk of having to take action after the hearing, if an impartial panel is formed now. The club seem to be saying, if the rumours are true, that the man forming the panel cannot be impartial if he is a member of one of the main protagonists against City. Just a side question, would he be allowed on a jury with similar connections to the prosecution team.

It does seem a bit of an own goal by the PL to appoint someone who has a season ticket at Arsenal and is prominent in Arsenal Director circles. The problem is that Arsenal are one of the clubs who have led the smear campaign against City. It was their letter (drafted by their lawyers) which was circulated urging support from other clubs to ban City from Europe....even before CAS had ruled on the UEFA case. In retrospect that was another own goal by our enemies.

 

[cheekybids]

That really is the only point I have argued before, i.e this idea that because it is 'private club' rules, anything goes and there is nothing that can be done to prevent it.

Thanks for the summaries, I imagine it can get annoying to a few when someone in the field says something that most take on, and one or two complete laymen question because it simply just doesn't seem to make sense. But then if it leads to pretty detailed clarifications like the little series of posts there..

99,99% of people commenting are layman & being gaslighted by a shit stirring journalists who also don’t understand Law, Finance, Marketing & Geo Politics.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Rob Harris, it was 10 minutes after lifting the fa cup iirc

Harris and his cronies shit it when some well known blues were in the press box the same day

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I just get the feeling that there is a time issue with this , I’d say the PL are under extreme pressure to get this resolved (probably due to the independent panel that is on the horizon) and City are just sitting on their hands saying , in our own time. The pressure very recently seems to have reached new heights - now is that because we tore Madrid a new arse hole ? Because we have won the league ? One thing is for sure - Pep, the team , and the senior management and owners seem very very calm about it - the ticking time bomb is the independent panel for me , there a few clubs absolutely shitting themselves about it , fire sale at old toilet , and the dippers pulling themselves off the market. We appear to be in no rush.

The recent media interest has been driven by private comments given to selected media outlets by our commercial rivals who seem to be getting information from within the PL management. These leaks are designed to undermine City in the run-up to the FA Cup and CL Finals. I am sure there will be more leaks next week and up to the CL Final, especially if City beat United. If we win the treble it will all die down until there is a significant legal development. Also remember that LFC and MUFC are up for sale so any new owners may decide to adopt a more pragmatic and sensible business strategy moving forward. The dirty tricks campaign from these clubs has damaged them as much as us.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

It was 10 minutes after we completed the first ever domestic grand slam of four trophies. Rob Harris (then of AP) asked Pep a question relating to Roberto Mancini being paid "off books" in 2008....eleven years earlier..and eight years before Pep even joined us. He asked Pep if he had the same sort of arrangement for his pay. It was despicable by Harris who has never published a single shred of evidence for any wrongdoing by Pep. Nothing more than an attempt to smear Pep in public. One of the most unprofessional things I have ever seen from a so-called journalist.

reason Fergie had him banned from United

 

[TonyM]

He’s a ****

Most journalists seem to be cunts.

 

[Iassel]

An extreme scenario but I assume the PL could do this by relegating us automatically to the Championship and then only send two down on points

Not that I think this will be an outcome anyway

No, the PL cannot arbitrarily relegate City to the Championship as it’s not a competition they administer, promotion and relegation today being under agreement with the a Football League.

They could handle a relegation if the Football League would approve it, but the Football League clubs would raise hell if it ever was anything close to a reality.

It’s nothing more than a clickbait topic.

 

[Roachy]

Most journalists seem to be cunts.

Parasites.

 

[Levyblue]

Parasites.

gutter journalist bastards

 

[The perfect fumble]

The dirty tricks campaign from these clubs has damaged them as much as us.

That is as wrong as wrong can be.

There are undiscovered tribes in the Amazon rain forest who know that City are cheats.

 

[The Reckless Pen]

My first post

1. Differences between UEFA Rules and Premier League Rules

The Premier League Rules should be a carbon copy of UEFA Rules.

The main difference between the Premier League and UEFA is UEFA have a Statute of Limitations, which limits the availability of evidence to 5 years. The PL do not have that. However, under English Law, most companies have to comply with The Limitations Act 1980. The Limitation Period in England is generally 6 years.

UEFA have rules in regards to where evidence comes from and it can’t come from illegal sources. City qualified several times that the hacked and stolen emails were illegal in the CAS case, but said they would co-operate with defending the allegations regardless. However, if you look at the the PL Handbook, it states that the source of data and evidence is an irrelevance as far as they are concerned. This surely will form part of City’s defence that some (if not all) of the evidence provided by the PL will have come from inappropriate sources (Der Spiegel, Rui Pinto and Football Leaks) and there will be a huge lack of credibility with that evidence.

What takes precedence when 2 contrasting rulebooks (UEFA and PL) have discrepancies or different rules? What takes precedence when European Law regarding limitation periods differs to English Law?

 

[TonyM]

Parasites.

I blame the PL, FA, all the clubs and all the player/manager unions for not sueing the liars years and years ago. Tabloids should never had a chance to create a media culture that gets away with blatant back page lies.

Again it's an opportunity for the Super League to do something positive if it ever comes in. Sue any reporter that reports a rumour without proof.

But the people who'd setup a Super League would be just as corrupt/useless/morally-bereft as the current lot. Unfortunately.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

That is as wrong as wrong can be.

There are undiscovered tribes in the Amazon rain forest who know that City are cheats.

That's true but I believe the hate campaign against us has motivated Pep and the players and we have destroyed them on the pitch. I also believe that people like Levy (Spurs), John W Henry (LFC) and Woodward and Gill (MUFC) became fixated so much on damaging City they neglected their own clubs. I accept your general point on reputational damage for City.

 

[jaseisblue]

The whole objective of this shit was to forever tarnish the name of the club. I live in Oz now and Aussie English premier league followers ask me about if we’ve cheated etc and when I explain the shit behind it they are accepting that it is purely out of jealousy/spite.
Nevertheless it’s the fact that before I’ve explained what’s really going on they think we are cheats, so from that perspective it’s mission accomplished for the shithouse press.
It will take a generation to stop this shit because the kids of now that love city will be the future sport reporters and football programme producers of this world and maybe the tide will turn.
So alas fellow blues, we must revel in the boiled piss until that day comes.

 

[citizen_maine]

No, the PL cannot arbitrarily relegate City to the Championship as it’s not a competition they administer, promotion and relegation today being under agreement with the a Football League.

They could handle a relegation if the Football League would approve it, but the Football League clubs would raise hell if it ever was anything close to a reality.

It’s nothing more than a clickbait topic.

They can dock points though
70 should do it

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

reason Fergie had him banned from United

The Govan Bully was so bloody arrogant that he banned anybody and everybody who did not lick his or the rags arse so you may be correct.

Rob Harris proved himself to be a complete **** when interviewing Pep on that specific occasion and really should have been banned from City Press Conferences with immediate effect .

 

[deano ou812]

The Govan Bully was so bloody arrogant that he banned anybody and everybody who did not lick his or the rags arse so you may be correct.

Rob Harris proved himself to be a complete **** when interviewing Pep on that specific occasion and really should have been banned from City Press Conferences with immediate effect .

Hopefully if he’s at Wembley next Saturday someone can throw the fucker off the tiers ..

 

[Centurions]

My first post

1. Differences between UEFA Rules and Premier League Rules

The Premier League Rules should be a carbon copy of UEFA Rules.

The main difference between the Premier League and UEFA is UEFA have a Statute of Limitations, which limits the availability of evidence to 5 years. The PL do not have that. However, under English Law, most companies have to comply with The Limitations Act 1980. The Limitation Period in England is generally 6 years.

UEFA have rules in regards to where evidence comes from and it can’t come from illegal sources. City qualified several times that the hacked and stolen emails were illegal in the CAS case, but said they would co-operate with defending the allegations regardless. However, if you look at the the PL Handbook, it states that the source of data and evidence is an irrelevance as far as they are concerned. This surely will form part of City’s defence that some (if not all) of the evidence provided by the PL will have come from inappropriate sources (Der Spiegel, Rui Pinto and Football Leaks) and there will be a huge lack of credibility with that evidence.

What takes precedence when 2 contrasting rulebooks (UEFA and PL) have discrepancies or different rules? What takes precedence when European Law regarding limitation periods differs to English Law?

The PL have charged us, it's absolutely nothing to do with UEFA or European law. UEFA had their shot and missed by a country mile.

 

[Rochdale Blue]

99,99% of people commenting are layman & being gaslighted by a shit stirring journalists who also don’t understand Law, Finance, Marketing & Geo Politics.

It doesn't stop them from claiming City fans have been mobilised by the club. If thats true, my call up papers must have gone to the wrong address. This was on the same pod where Max Rushden said he'd recieved huge amounts of abuse for claiming Eddie Howe was disengenous for saying managers shouldnt have to worry about their safety on the touchline considering the club he works for. Rushden said it from the safety of Australia where he's more likely to be eaten by a crocodile than assaulted by a passing geordie. Someone else claimed that journos have started to get abuse inside and outside of some grounds but didn't elaborate which clubs and why the fans were riled up at them. Most probably dippers 'fumin' about the two million charges not being mentioned enough.