Ref Watch

halfcenturyup said:
People sometimes forget you use your arms for balance, they go up or down depending on vertical, lateral and rotational movement. It's a ridiculous argument to suggest that once his arms were down having landed they should stay down. It all depends what the body movement is on the way down and afterwards. No-one is suggesting it was deliberate, so it must have been a natural movement. There isn't really much in-between.
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Yep, hes running backwards while the back goes over his head and he's jumping and turning in the same movement. If he has his hands down by his sides hes not getting his balance on the way down and will cane himself. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise.
 
Fiftyyearsandcounting said:
A "Clear & Obvious error" does not require VAR spending 5 minutes checking video replays.
As other have said, after being directed to view the video, the referee could have dismissed the claim as not deserving a penalty, I suggest they are scared of the repercussions for defying VAR. On field officials are now reduced to "assistants" to VAR commander.
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VAR shouldn't have even needed to refer it. Coote is the same guy that gave them the Bruno goal with Rashford offside at the swamp, clearly is either fucking useless or has an agenda against City or for United.
 
shevtheblue said:
VAR shouldn't have even needed to refer it. Coote is the same guy that gave them the Bruno goal with Rashford offside at the swamp, clearly is either fucking useless or has an agenda against City or for United.
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That was shatwell with olivarse on var, but then that only goes to prove your point by showing how widespread the bias is, mate.
 
shevtheblue said:
VAR shouldn't have even needed to refer it. Coote is the same guy that gave them the Bruno goal with Rashford offside at the swamp, clearly is either fucking useless or has an agenda against City or for United.
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He was selected for the final after his performance at Old Trafford against City. At the time I predicted Atwell would get the FA Cup final but obviously I’d overlooked the real Engineer.

Corruption is rewarded in many ways & just as whistleblowers are told you’ll be protected but suffer the indignity of being isolated as clear punishment. Those that do what their paymasters want find a clear path to success & no one ever needs to utter the reasons why, but you know & they want you to know. Question them & they’ll deny it, they don’t want to convince you are wrong when they deny it, they want you to know you are right.

City are prepared for these events, the team that Pep has is possibly not as good as others he’s had but this one offers a bit more insurance against cheating.
 
I'm sure I'm not the only one here, who believes referees try to interfer with our attacks, by taking up stupid positions on the pitch.

Take our second goal for instance. Tierney starts walking towards the ball, then takes a step back, when kdb had took the fk.

Why would he do that. Most would back away
 
eastlandsblue said:
I'm sure I'm not the only one here, who believes referees try to interfer with our attacks, by taking up stupid positions on the pitch.

Take our second goal for instance. Tierney starts walking towards the ball, then takes a step back, when kdb had took the fk.

Why would he do that. Most would back away
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He saw Mr Whippy was unmarked and stepped in.
 
eastlandsblue said:
I'm sure I'm not the only one here, who believes referees try to interfer with our attacks, by taking up stupid positions on the pitch.

Take our second goal for instance. Tierney starts walking towards the ball, then takes a step back, when kdb had took the fk.

Why would he do that. Most would back away
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I have a theory about this. As it happens with so many different refs...

I don't think it's the refs being in the way, I think it's the team using the ref to shield the ball and protect the pass.

Ref is no longer considered part of the pitch so if the ball hits the ref.... What a shame uncontested drop ball to us. Still retain possession.
 
I really wish that referees came out to explain their horrendous decisions after the game.
Howard Webb smirking after the pen was given nearly cost me a new TV. He needs to give us a fucking apology
 
BlueMooner87 said:
I really wish that referees came out to explain their horrendous decisions after the game.
Howard Webb smirking after the pen was given nearly cost me a new TV. He needs to give us a fucking apology
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The most sickening sight of the day.
The head of refs getting aroused by a decision for the rags.
Some things never change do they Howard?
 
threadkiller said:
I'm not, I just think that the rules allow it to be given. It's a horrible decision, but it's not outside the interpretation of the rules.
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That's the problem IMHO. They changed the law to permit VAR to intervene as and when it suits them in order to influence the match. It's no longer a sport as it's all about "protecting the product". That is not only wrong, but corrupt.
 
Maly said:
Just watching the game on tv for the first time & what struck me was that Coote only played one angle of incident for Tierney

The other angle, you can clearly see that Grealish has his eyes closed, so can’t know where the ball is. Therefore, showing it couldn’t possibly be deliberate

Why hamstring the ref by only showing one angle, instead of every single angle possible?

Is it just me wondering why only one angle was shown?
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The VAR will initially show him the best angle that supports his opinion that it’s a penalty. He’ll then ask if he wants to see any more angles or if he’s happy? It’s then up to the referee if he’s seen enough or wants to see alternate angles. They pretty much always decline.
 
That’s handball if it’s champions league game but Web said he wanted referees on the pitch to make the decisions and the handball went from every handball given to next to none like the Grealish one so Coote needs to be took to task on his use of var when he is in the the var box when his team is playing it’s obvious he is totally bias a cheat!
 
Stephen230 said:
The VAR will initially show him the best angle that supports his opinion that it’s a penalty. He’ll then ask if he wants to see any more angles or if he’s happy? It’s then up to the referee if he’s seen enough or wants to see alternate angles. They pretty much always decline.
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Genuine question. What is the relationship supposed to be between the referee and the VAR in this situation? Is he there to assist the referee to make the best decision, or to just tell him what his decision should be and justify it to him? Only asking because these protocols seem so inconsistent.

For the Grealish handball, for example, it took VAR a minute and multiple angles to decide what happened. Why should a referee get only one angle. Who is actually refereeing the game here?
 
BillCarlisle said:
That's the problem IMHO. They changed the law to permit VAR to intervene as and when it suits them in order to influence the match. It's no longer a sport as it's all about "protecting the product". That is not only wrong, but corrupt.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, team should be those that appeal decisions as in tennis. One each half only. If appeal made, ref reviews the images, asking for all angles and miked up to the stadium. There are just too many contentious decisions for most teams, which leads to conspiracy theories. Ref and var need to be tgat transparent it'll look like window cleaner has done a belting job.
Otherwise VAR just for offsides in its current state.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Genuine question. What is the relationship supposed to be between the referee and the VAR in this situation? Is he there to assist the referee to make the best decision, or to just tell him what his decision should be and justify it to him? Only asking because these protocols seem so inconsistent.

For the Grealish handball, for example, it took VAR a minute and multiple angles to decide what happened. Why should a referee get only one angle. Who is actually refereeing the game here?
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He can tell the referee what he wants like the ball hit Grealish hand and he looks in an unnatural position have a look on the screen! Bottom line referee never have it so for Coote to take it to referee it had to be a 100% sure
 
waspish said:
He can tell the referee what he wants like the ball hit Grealish hand and he looks in an unnatural position have a look on the screen! Bottom line referee never have it so for Coote to take it to referee it had to be a 100% sure
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Well yes, he can be 100% sure it touched his fingers, but i thought the subjective elements were for the referee to decide?
 
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