Autophagy (and fasting).

somapop said:
Yeah, from what I've read (and where the sources behind the research) it all seems positive.
I've shed a few pounds and feel physically lighter/bouncier but still can't shake off this fatigue.

Can't put my finger on it as I'm not really eating any less as mentioned above. Anecdotally it seems it takes a while for this to level out (and I've the added variable of increasing gym work - deadlifting/weights amongst the yoga, pilates and weekend run).

Goals were:

* Shift a few excess pounds (although I train every day and don't over eat and generally eat healthily, I also have a desk job....and visit the office just once a week, so I'm quite stationary).
Cutting out some calories I won't burn can't be a bad thing.

* Eat earlier in the evening. I was eating past 10pm most evenings and this may in turn have affected my sleep (which is another issue)

* Interest in Autophagy and how this may benefit ones health for a variety of reasons (decrease inflammation, cell repair). This last one if the element I'd have to run with in good faith alone at this stage.
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I take it you’ve been to the doctors etc with this extreme fatigue mate ?

For what it’s worth, my KQ has had this extreme fatigue for a while now, tests are up and down but she has other health implications which can affect her results, think she’s off for a more in-depth liver scan and tests soon.
 
Over 1 months into my fasting journey and really enjoying it. Im feeling, seeing (and friends and family) are noticing huge changes in my body over the last 5 months due to zero alchohol, drinking yerba, intermittent fasting [18/6] [often OMAD] with healthy keto diet (high fat, fruit veg and very low carb) and extensive use of the gym. Thanks for the tips so far guys, especially the taking of electrolytes morning and nighttime as I'm sure this is helping keep my strength up for the gym and work.

On the downside (or upside) think I've maybe learnt the hard way that you can have too much good bacteria in your system after spending Tuesday night on and in the bog.

For anyone reading this thread and thinking of starting or trying intermittent fasting I'd say go for it and enjoy it.

Had my first pasta (carbs) after one month (two days after illness), enjoyed it much more than any pasta I've had in ages.

Am I alone in enjoying meals much more when fasting, the preparation and eating (more prolonged timewise) becomes a big positive part of the day instead of just stuffing food down my throat
 
Bigga said:
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I mean 30 seconds in, "feminists aren't going to like this one." First red flag.

Let's see what kind of doctor this Dr Mindy Pelz is. Quick Google. Oh, she's a chiropractor. So not a medical doctor then. Not an academic working in the area of nutrition. Yeah, I think I'll pass on the 2 hour podcast of someone selling a book they're not qualified to write.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I mean 30 seconds in, "feminists aren't going to like this one." First red flag.

Let's see what kind of doctor this Dr Mindy Pelz is. Quick Google. Oh, she's a chiropractor. So not a medical doctor then. Not an academic working in the area of nutrition. Yeah, I think I'll pass on the 2 hour podcast of someone selling a book they're not qualified to write.
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Of course I skipped all the 'feminist' bits, but there's actually some important bits of info that correlates to stuff other experts in the field have talked about.

Those are the interesting bits.
 
It's helped bring down my eating time for stupidly late (10pm plus every evening) to around 6pm, 7 pm latest.

But that window (if eating the same amount pre IF) isn't going to lose you anything and the autophagy element is far more complex that the 8 hour window will allow benefits to kick in.

I'm just eating my breakfast later and there may be benefit to not eating straight away as you rise in the morning, but unsurprisingly there's an awful amount of misinformation out there.

If I can skip a few lunches now and again (just having that late breakfast around 11am) I'll (obviously) lose weight as less calories in....but from experience of this (since I started the thread), there's a lot of fad around it.
 
somapop said:
If I can skip a few lunches now and again (just having that late breakfast around 11am) I'll (obviously) lose weight as less calories in....but from experience of this (since I started the thread), there's a lot of fad around it.
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Didn't they discover something similar about the Atkins diet a while ago? All of this complicated-sounding science and it just turned out that when people don't eat carbs, they just eat fewer calories overall?
 
I live in a muslim country that observes ramadan once a year and it kind of forces you to do something similar to this, and was surprised how easy it was.

You couldn't eat anything at the office, but you'd at least go somewhere quiet to have a drink.
And no restaurants or malls would open until 6pm and that would usually be the first meal of the day.
Bars were shut for the month as well.

Dropped a stone without even trying and makes you think that you shouldn't just immediately act on the first urge to eat when you have it. You can wait it out a little while.
 
Wheelsy said:
I live in a muslim country that observes ramadan once a year and it kind of forces you to do something similar to this, and was surprised how easy it was.

You couldn't eat anything at the office, but you'd at least go somewhere quiet to have a drink.
And no restaurants or malls would open until 6pm and that would usually be the first meal of the day.
Bars were shut for the month as well.

Dropped a stone without even trying and makes you think that you shouldn't just immediately act on the first urge to eat when you have it. You can wait it out a little while.
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Are you a Muslim yourself? Because from what I've heard, loads of people actually put on weight in Ramadan, because they have the equivalent of Christmas dinner every day when they break fast. But as an outsider, you're probably not coming home to a massive home-cooked meal every evening.

Luckily in Malaysia, there are enough Chinese people that there are always restaurants open. Feel a bit sorry for the Muslims who still have to work in restaurants all day during Ramadan.
 
somapop said:
It's helped bring down my eating time for stupidly late (10pm plus every evening) to around 6pm, 7 pm latest.

But that window (if eating the same amount pre IF) isn't going to lose you anything and the autophagy element is far more complex that the 8 hour window will allow benefits to kick in.

I'm just eating my breakfast later and there may be benefit to not eating straight away as you rise in the morning, but unsurprisingly there's an awful amount of misinformation out there.

If I can skip a few lunches now and again (just having that late breakfast around 11am) I'll (obviously) lose weight as less calories in....but from experience of this (since I started the thread), there's a lot of fad around it.
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You're supposed to extend it beyond 18hrs to get the full effect. Keeping to an 18hr window doesn't stimulate the body to 'regenerate' or 'fix' itself. If you can reach 18, you can reach 24hrs before eating, from there go to 36hrs. I've done this myself as you don't even think about it.

Just build it up or you'll plateau.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Are you a Muslim yourself? Because from what I've heard, loads of people actually put on weight in Ramadan, because they have the equivalent of Christmas dinner every day when they break fast. But as an outsider, you're probably not coming home to a massive home-cooked meal every evening.

Luckily in Malaysia, there are enough Chinese people that there are always restaurants open. Feel a bit sorry for the Muslims who still have to work in restaurants all day during Ramadan.
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My friend owns a takeaway and works during Ramadan. I know plenty that eat all manners of shit when the sun goes down, which is why they maintain or put weight on.

They become gluttonous with food, the lads I know, not disciplined.
 
One things Ive learnt over the years about health and diets is everybody is completely different. Some people can function fine on vegan diets/carnivore diets, some people get deathly ill after a couple of weeks.

For me, the fasting just doesn't work at all, my metabolism works like an atomic reactor. I've came back from 2 week holidays in Turkey where I've eaten a full english breakfast, a chicken kebap, 3 ice creams and a massive slap up meal every night washed down with 10 Efes lighter than I went out because of the heat!

I eat what I want basically at home, the only thing I avoid is really sugary things or processed food and I cook what I can from scratch. I also work a very physical job and train 4 times a week for an hour and a half in the gym.

Have had mates who aren't blessed with my super ability to never gain weight who have had real success with intermittent fasting and the Keto diet and said they never felt better so i decided to give it a go for a couple of weeks and I had to cut it short after 10 days as I was exhausted to the point I couldn't even get up the stairs.

The point is don't be scared to try plenty of different diets, but I'd argue strongly a one size fits all 'best' one doesn't exist!
 
As long your goal is to lose weight and you consume less calories within that window than previously (skipping breakfast, or having a smaller one later) then it's gonna work.....it's just the rest of if which seems sketchy to me atm.

Even that Zoe App/Tim Spector discussion has some claims I'd like dive deeper into (the autophagy being one of them).
Which begs the question does 'true fasting' (having a full day or two off eating) promote any benefits outsider of merely losing weight.
 
somapop said:
Which begs the question does 'true fasting' (having a full day or two off eating) promote any benefits outsider of merely losing weight.
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Lengthens telemers...which is really what it's all about...losing weight is simply the seen. Youtubers wont get clicks headlining telemers.

Once you're past your prime you require less food...period...
 
somapop said:
Which begs the question does 'true fasting' (having a full day or two off eating) promote any benefits outsider of merely losing weight.
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I asked my GP the same question when she told me about intermittent fasting.
She said it's unhealthy to not eat for 2 or 3 days.
The body needs vitamins, proteins, fats and carbs as well as sugar (natural sugar) to maintain the health of your organs.
Just stopping eating can lead to many different problems. So definitly no health benefits.
 
Last 4 days, I've gone back to fasting.

1st day, I did 16 hrs then 20 hrs the next two. I've been in the gym whilst doing it or training at home.

Today, I felt shocked at my body, literally shaking and breaking into sweats at 16 hrs again, so helt I had to eat. Pretty annoyed to be honest as I've been taking on fluids of water and fresh lemon and lime juice and black coffee.

Not sure what happened, but I'm pushing myself again tomorrow. I want to do 36 hrs by a month's time.
 
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