PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Something has been niggling at me for a couple of weeks. When Lord Pannick represented Boris Johnson at the Privileges Committee he repeatedly criticised the process that was being followed. Without going into politics, it seems to me there are some parallels between this and our case in that it was effectively a private members club holding one of their own members to account without recourse to law.

Lord Pannick was essentially arguing from the outset that the process was unfair and unlawful because of important points:
  • Lack of eivdence of intention to mislead required,
  • The standard of proof required,
  • Anonymity for witnesses allowed,
  • No cross-examination of witnesses allowed,
  • Lack of clarity on charges and evidence in advance of hearing.
As we all know, the Privileges Committee found Johnson guilty of contempt and during the subsequent debate in the Commons there was much discussion on the process followed. In particular, Chris Bryant, MP for Rhondda said the following

“The House has always claimed … the only body that can discipline, suspend or expel a duly elected Member of the House is the House of Commons in its entirety. I still hold to that principle. It is why any decision or recommendation to suspend or expel a Member that comes from the Standards Committee or the Independent Expert Panel has to be approved by the whole House. It is also why the only way to proceed when there is an allegation that a Member has committed a contempt of Parliament, for instance by misleading the House, is via a Committee of the House and a decision of the whole House. That is why we have to have the motion today and had to have the Committee on Privileges. It cannot, I believe, be a court of law. It has to be a Committee of the House. I do not think some commentators have fully understood that, including Lord Pannick and some former Leaders of the House.” (Hansard)

My concern is that our legal team are going to war using established legal principles when, just like the Privileges Committee, the PL are singing “We’ll do what we want …”

Perhaps someone better informed than me can put my mind at rest.
 
Tangled up in blue. said:
Enough is enough. i think its time We started fighting back instead of ignoring it all and taking it on the chin, it's time we started sueing these bastards. Come on City fucking man up and get these cunts in court, let's grow a pair for once shall we. I tell you what this wouldn't have happened at united while ferguson was there he would have fucking hammered them.
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And what specifically would you sue them for from last nights "revelations"?
 
eastlandsblue said:
The club remaining silent, will just piss them off. And I'm happy they do
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By solely concentrating on their investment our owners have just had the best season ever both on and off the field.

Let our enemies continue with their distractions from yesteryear City have brands to caress, teams to tweak and trophies to retain.

Can't wait for our financial results to be published.
 
MrsBanks said:
Something has been niggling at me for a couple of weeks. When Lord Pannick represented Boris Johnson at the Privileges Committee he repeatedly criticised the process that was being followed. Without going into politics, it seems to me there are some parallels between this and our case in that it was effectively a private members club holding one of their own members to account without recourse to law.

Lord Pannick was essentially arguing from the outset that the process was unfair and unlawful because of important points:
  • Lack of eivdence of intention to mislead required,
  • The standard of proof required,
  • Anonymity for witnesses allowed,
  • No cross-examination of witnesses allowed,
  • Lack of clarity on charges and evidence in advance of hearing.
As we all know, the Privileges Committee found Johnson guilty of contempt and during the subsequent debate in the Commons there was much discussion on the process followed. In particular, Chris Bryant, MP for Rhondda said the following

“The House has always claimed … the only body that can discipline, suspend or expel a duly elected Member of the House is the House of Commons in its entirety. I still hold to that principle. It is why any decision or recommendation to suspend or expel a Member that comes from the Standards Committee or the Independent Expert Panel has to be approved by the whole House. It is also why the only way to proceed when there is an allegation that a Member has committed a contempt of Parliament, for instance by misleading the House, is via a Committee of the House and a decision of the whole House. That is why we have to have the motion today and had to have the Committee on Privileges. It cannot, I believe, be a court of law. It has to be a Committee of the House. I do not think some commentators have fully understood that, including Lord Pannick and some former Leaders of the House.” (Hansard)

My concern is that our legal team are going to war using established legal principles when, just like the Privileges Committee, the PL are singing “We’ll do what we want …”

Perhaps someone better informed than me can put my mind at rest.
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Does anyone have pictures of our board doing what they said they didn't do?

How about dozens of eye witnesses?

If not, then I wouldn't worry about comparisons :)
 
Tangled up in blue. said:
Enough is enough. i think its time We started fighting back instead of ignoring it all and taking it on the chin, it's time we started sueing these bastards. Come on City fucking man up and get these cunts in court, let's grow a pair for once shall we. I tell you what this wouldn't have happened at united while ferguson was there he would have fucking hammered them.
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And look what happened to him & the rags for all his bullying bluster.

Washed up walkers cos he was allowed to do what he wanted.

We are already having our day(s) with more silver than Long John !!
 
jimmygrimblesboots said:
Piers Morgan on TalkTV has attempted a nice hatchet job on our club , Matt Lawton (Rag) David Dein (ex-Goon) some football finance expert (wearing a black & red tie) , and some clueless london blonde woman as their panel.
Over a £30m payment in 2012 from a geezer called Mohammed , the Times have no proof if he has any connection with our club and has no clue what the payment was for , but the carefully selected totally bias panel and bitter Goon Morgan proceeded to play City bingo for 20minutes.
To be fair David Dein was the only one who fought our corner repeatedly telling fat f*ck Morgan that we are innocent until proven guilty , looking forward to the debate over the £50m the Dippers claimed for a report into building a new stadium on Stanley Park which saved their skin regarding FFP.
The media and bitter wankers like Morgan and Lawton are so desperate to find us guilty of any misdemeanor its now becoming tedious , no matter how much they despise us , we will not lose any titles , we will not be relegated because this will make their puppet Masters and the Premier league look even more ridiculous.
TREBLE WINNERS 2023 , NOW F*CK OFF , Piers you fat useless bitter one trick pony.
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Isobel Oakshote is a Farage far right gobshite now with the Reform Party which is UKIP in disguise . She is usually poisonous a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Couldn’t believe it when she stuck up for us and Middle Eastern investment .
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Big sponsorship deal being announced today...should go down well!
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Oh yes. What a way to deal with being accused of inflating sponsorship deals and fiddling the figures by announcing a big fuck off deal.
Ha ha the timing is perfection.

This news about a new deal and us breaking through 700m revenue will send these wankers under.

See folks, we don't need to retaliate to their lies, we just drop these little nuggets in, light the blue touch paper and stand back.

I fuckin love this club.
 
bluenova said:
Does anyone have pictures of our board doing what they said they didn't do?

How about dozens of eye witnesses?

If not, then I wouldn't worry about comparisons :)
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Thanks for the reassurance :)

For the avoidance of doubt, I believe the Privileges Committee came to the correct conclusions.
 
I am hoping that the club keep relatively quiet and allow the investigation to run its course, maybe a two line statement reitterating that we will not be commenting on speculation and look forward to the facts being presented to an independent panel.

In the background i hope we are telling the PL that if they choose to pursue us and find us guilty then we will unleash a shitstorm against the establishment. Kaldoon said that we know what goes on elsewhere and who is behind this witch hunt.
 
Gundoggin said:
Isobel Oakshote is a Farage far right gobshite now with the Reform Party which is UKIP in disguise . She is usually poisonous a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Couldn’t believe it when she stuck up for us and Middle Eastern investment .
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Why not? She probably doesn't care at all about what City get up to.

If City were guilty of what's been suggested, it's probably right up her street.
 
Gundoggin said:
Isobel Oakshote is a Farage far right gobshite now with the Reform Party which is UKIP in disguise . She is usually poisonous a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Couldn’t believe it when she stuck up for us and Middle Eastern investment .
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She did leak all those MP's whatsapps talking about lockdown which took a bit of bollocks in fairness.
 
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