PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Exeter Blue I am here said:
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For all the talk on here of 'high bars', there is nothing to stop these ring-pieces delivering whatever verdict they see fit, and if they find us guilty, no-one but no-one will care two hoots about the process and lack of actual evidence, because the public has been conditioned into believing in our guilt. They tribunal might not be able to fudge its way into finding us guilty if our evidence is utterly overwhelming, but I have no faith in any marginal calls whatsoever. If they can possibly nobble us, then I have no doubt that they will. They've been commissioned for that very purpose.....
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this is my concern

I want to be comforted by the well considered and experience based views I read on here - but that video must have taken a fair bit of money to put together - and it has been done for the purpose of continuing the conditioning the majority of fans I assume

It makes me feel that the PL are going to be forced by the red shirts to 'go for it' because - fuck it there is no appeal process

It will be just CITY fans screaming that it was unfair - all the conditioned people won't give a fuck
 
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halfcenturyup said:
Maybe our co-operation hasn't been as complete as has been imagined, and some evidence has been kept back. Information and statements from sponsors and other externals, for example, which is the most compelling evidence, in fact. Evidence that the club feels that the PL didn't have the right to ask for, but which can be provided at the right time. Would explain the non-cooperation charge, why none of the underlying issues seem to have been cleared, and the number of alleged breaches. If the PL didn't get such compelling evidence they would have no option but to refer the alleged breaches to a disciplinary panel.

Just a guess.
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I think this is exactly what our tactic is. It worked v UEFA at CAS.
 
SilverFox2 said:
Dare I say that City and its owners are achieving their objectives despite the continuing media and PL rule changing.
I fear that complacency and even entitlement may take over should it be totally fair.

So let them do their worst because it brings out our best.

Just an opinion from an older City supporter than most on this Forum.
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That's all very well but doesn't address my weariness regarding reading crap and negativity concerning City.
 
East Level 2 said:
That's all very well but doesn't address my weariness regarding reading crap and negativity concerning City.
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We were found not guilty in the uefa version of all this yet we're still guilty of that, and buying the CAS ruling afterwards!

Get used to it, it's tribalism at its greatest. But underneath it all they know they've seen the greatest football ever.
 
East Level 2 said:
That's all very well but doesn't address my weariness regarding reading crap and negativity concerning City.
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Except to say that in return you have a treble to be pleased with, our owners have financial rewards second to none and a season to look forward to.

Perhaps you are right and Pep should not have Catalysed our season and the team and fans would have had an indifferent season with Arsenal as champions?
Would our accusers have stopped their attacks and accusations maybe.
Unfortunately they have a habit of kicking a man when he is down so we all gelled together and showed them what City are made of.

Just my opinion but I know which I prefer.
 
East Level 2 said:
But CAS is an independent organisation (in theory) while the PL can make it up as they go along. There is no appeal to an independent body if the PL acts against normal laws of justice.
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So regardless of us producing “irrefutable evidence” the independent professional KCs on the panel will find us guilty anyway?
 
SomeMightSay said:
So regardless of us producing “irrefutable evidence” the independent professional KCs on the panel will find us guilty anyway?
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I doubt it.
We're all thinking like football fans,these people are professionals.

I just can't see k.c's leaving themselves open to having their professionalism and honesty questioned by blithely coming to a dodgy verdict.
 
SilverFox2 said:
Except to say that in return you have a treble to be pleased with, our owners have financial rewards second to none and a season to look forward to.

Perhaps you are right and Pep should not have Catalysed our season and the team and fans would have had an indifferent season with Arsenal as champions?
Would our accusers have stopped their attacks and accusations maybe.
Unfortunately they have a habit of kicking a man when he is down so we all gelled together and showed them what City are made of.

Just my opinion but I know which I prefer.
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WTF are you on about? I never said I'd have preferred it if Pep hadn't catalysed our season, or even galvanised our resolve, and I certainly don't think our accusers would have gone quiet had we failed. And I'm aware we won the treble as I saw most of it.
I said I was pissed off about the constant negativity when I should have been able to spend the summer reading about our successes.
 
East Level 2 said:
WTF are you on about? I never said I'd have preferred it if Pep hadn't catalysed our season, or even galvanised our resolve, and I certainly don't think our accusers would have gone quiet had we failed. And I'm aware we won the treble as I saw most of it.
I said I was pissed off about the constant negativity when I should have been able to spend the summer reading about our successes.
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still waiting for documentary
 
East Level 2 said:
But CAS is an independent organisation (in theory) while the PL can make it up as they go along. There is no appeal to an independent body if the PL acts against normal laws of justice.
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That's not correct. We should work on the basis the Independent Commission will be impartial and competent. The key thing that would give rise to an appeal to the Courts would be acting against the "normal laws of justice" as you put it.

Rule X.37 of the PL Rules states that EXCEPT FOR the provisions of sections 67 to 71 of the Arbitration Act (AA), the award shall be final and binding on the parties and there shall be no right of appeal. This is Section 68 of the AA.


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East Level 2 said:
WTF are you on about? I never said I'd have preferred it if Pep hadn't catalysed our season, or even galvanised our resolve, and I certainly don't think our accusers would have gone quiet had we failed. And I'm aware we won the treble as I saw most of it.
I said I was pissed off about the constant negativity when I should have been able to spend the summer reading about our successes.
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We all get pissed off about something so perhaps I have triggered something so apologies if I misunderstood my friend.
I simply was saying that our reaction to these charges was admirable and made our season. I also feel as I said in another post that I prefer us to react against attack by media and PL in the way we have rather than let their distracting attacks be effective and stop us focusing on winning trophies.
Again apologies if you feel differently or if I misunderstand.
 
projectriver said:
That's not correct. We should work on the basis the Independent Commission will be impartial and competent. The key thing that would give rise to an appeal to the Courts would be acting against the "normal laws of justice" as you put it.

Rule X.37 of the PL Rules states that EXCEPT FOR the provisions of sections 67 to 71 of the Arbitration Act (AA), the award shall be final and binding on the parties and there shall be no right of appeal. This is Section 68 of the AA.


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This is why it will go on for ever the PL trying to find conclusive evidence whilst City counter with show us the proof and your evidence ! This will become a very costly exercise for the PL ! We don't care about costs and will counter every allegation ! 115 charges could be years ! All this latest mud slinging of old news shows that their finding it hard to get anything to stick so now a carefully coordinated effort is being used to kep it the publics minds !
 
Oldham Exile said:
this is my concern

I want to be comforted by the well considered and experience based views I read on here - but that video must have taken a fair bit of money to put together - and it has been done for the purpose of continuing the conditioning the majority of fans I assume

It makes me feel that the PL are going to be forced by the red shirts to 'go for it' because - fuck it there is no appeal process

It will be just CITY fans screaming that it was unfair - all the conditioned people won't give a fuck
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Live with it. All we can do as fans or supporters is to believe.

So much is already history not relevant to today or the current success of Manchester City. I think we are approaching the endgame and what ever that entails.

MSM cannot have it both ways that this year promises to be the most competitive ever whilst eschewing City dominance.
 
projectriver said:
That's not correct. We should work on the basis the Independent Commission will be impartial and competent. The key thing that would give rise to an appeal to the Courts would be acting against the "normal laws of justice" as you put it.

Rule X.37 of the PL Rules states that EXCEPT FOR the provisions of sections 67 to 71 of the Arbitration Act (AA), the award shall be final and binding on the parties and there shall be no right of appeal. This is Section 68 of the AA.


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Many thanks for that post Stefan.

No matter who the PL have chosen they must surely be competent so the legal and accountancy based members, despite their club associations must surely act within the legal framework they represent.
I am unconcerned with the reasons to charge City and simply feel that any bias they show will be looked on unfavorably by the Professional Organizations they represent ie their day jobs would be compromised.
 
I have just read Stefan's contribution and obviously appreciated and respected his objective analysis of the affair. I think hat many City supporters and posters on here should read the title with especial care and attention. The independent commission will be chaired by a KC and will include, presumably, an accountant and another expert. Their commitment will be to the ethics and integrity of their profession, they will be independent and they will not be swayed by "conspiracy theories and innuendo" but will require proof to substantiate the charges. My personal opinion is that it is highly, highly improbable that the charges can be proved or even shown to be "probably" true so I am confident.
 
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