PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[the talisman]

Yup thats the likely scenario. I'd just never thought about ME rivals being behind this sort of thing.

Sorry but what does ME mean?
Edit: worked it out
I’m a bit slow

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

clear and obvious

I mean, I don't think Rupert Murdoch is personally pulling strings, but I do think City/PL are a bit of a proxy war between EU regulation, established American/Western media corps, Silicon Valley, and Middle Eastern money.

 

[dublinblue12]

I've not watched the video, it sounds like a hatchet job, I think even the more level headed rival fans can sense that. But has anything like that been done before, even for the bigger political scandals? - Anonymously, no financial gain or journalistic credit, a company set up especially for it, and from what I hear a lot of money invested in the production - all just good old fashioned journalism, raising awareness etc? I don't think so.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Because City have record social media engagement, sponsorship, viewership, attendance anything else you want to measure. They don't care because it really doesn't matter. If we are cleared of the main charges we are cleared of the main charges.

It does matter. It is dreadful PR and impacts all of the above.

 

[IBlue]

Just reading and had a crazy thought.... imagine if we were behind the video (a sort of 25 degree chess move) to make the investigation seem like it leaks like a collandar). There apparently is nothing anywhere near new in it, I say apparently as I'm not for watching it.

I know, I've not even had a drink yet!!!! ;)

Hello Eni Aluko ;)

 

[Rory Bluelow]

I don't know why City don't have a modern social media savvy PR firm pumping stuff out countering all the bullshit about this and empyy seats and transfer spend via some "3rd party" source, a bit like SBLN on Twitter does but much more. It's all bad PR for City when it comes to attracting new fans and a lie spreads round the world before the truth has its boots on.

It baffles me as why they don’t do this. It seems so obvious. Even if they left addressing the bullshit alone and just focused on positive City stories both on the team and the miracle the club has delivered for Manchester investment and development.
Look at what the rag machine has done with Rashford !

 

[Rory Bluelow]

Because City have record social media engagement, sponsorship, viewership, attendance anything else you want to measure. They don't care because it really doesn't matter. If we are cleared of the main charges we are cleared of the main charges.

Fair comment but all those things are not mutually exclusive to positively managing their image. Those records could be even higher. Just because something is working well, you don’t stop striving to improve.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

It baffles me as why they don’t do this. It seems so obvious. Even if they left addressing the bullshit alone and just focused on positive City stories both on the team and the miracle the club has delivered for Manchester investment and development.
Look at what the rag machine has done with Rashford !

the net spend league, the actual attendance figures, hostiry v Liverpool/United. I once send a tweet to my young lads which showed how we won trophies before Liverpool and how our attendances compared and they said "Finally I have a comeback". City want to grow, they need to attract kids and this kind of shit puts kids off. They need to develop a narrative about how the established elite have tried to stop City with FFP etc.

 

[cheekybids]

Ziegler is one of the club's preferred journalists. He was the guy they leaked the Liverpool spygate story to, and he's come out with quite a few pieces presenting City's side to various controversial events with little bits of info no one else has.

I'd be surprised if he's part of some shadowy cabal working against the club.

Jesus if he’s a friend I’d hate to meet our enemies.

 

[cheekybids]

Ziegler is one of the club's preferred journalists. He was the guy they leaked the Liverpool spygate story to, and he's come out with quite a few pieces presenting City's side to various controversial events with little bits of info no one else has.

I'd be surprised if he's part of some shadowy cabal working against the club.

A “reverse Clarkie” sort of thing……

 

[cheekybids]

I've not watched the video, it sounds like a hatchet job, I think even the more level headed rival fans can sense that. But has anything like that been done before, even for the bigger political scandals? - Anonymously, no financial gain or journalistic credit, a company set up especially for it, and from what I hear a lot of money invested in the production - all just good old fashioned journalism, raising awareness etc? I don't think so.

I think it happens all the time.

 

[HelloCity]

Ziegler is one of the club's preferred journalists. He was the guy they leaked the Liverpool spygate story to, and he's come out with quite a few pieces presenting City's side to various controversial events with little bits of info no one else has.

I'd be surprised if he's part of some shadowy cabal working against the club.

Things change.

 

[maurizio]

That video has only had 162k views in a week, many of whom will be City fans, and a paltry 1.8k likes. I don't think it's quite had the impact that those behind it hoped for.

I'd like to see what's in it. But I don't want to add to their numbers and give the anti-city PR firm any reward. For the average football fan, I guess they have heard it before on their social media, and they either rabidly believe we're evil cheats, or they are bored of it by now. Not really an incentive to sit through a you tube video. Unless you are an obsessed red top fan and it's not going to change your opinion.

 

[Cobwebcat]

It does matter. It is dreadful PR and impacts all of the above.

We have had this for ten years and in that time have become the number one football brand in the World.

It doesn’t look like it’s mattering too much strangely.

 

[Cobwebcat]

I don't know why City don't have a modern social media savvy PR firm pumping stuff out countering all the bullshit about this and empyy seats and transfer spend via some "3rd party" source, a bit like SBLN on Twitter does but much more. It's all bad PR for City when it comes to attracting new fans and a lie spreads round the world before the truth has its boots on.

Because engaging with them makes things much worse. They want the attention. Ignoring them is, by far, the cleverest thing to do. We concentrate on winning not being drawn into arguments.

Liverpool and United are looking to sell their clubs.

No distractions to the plan.

Who is winning really?

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

It does matter. It is dreadful PR and impacts all of the above.

Fair comment but all those things are not mutually exclusive to positively managing their image. Those records could be even higher. Just because something is working well, you don’t stop striving to improve.

Just think the idea of battling mis/disinformation on social media about things like attendances and history is like paying someone with a megaphone to respond to away fan taunts. It's not a sensible use of money and it won't have the desired effects. It is hard even to assess the real impact the negativity is having when we are above and beyond every KPI on and off the pitch. Let the best in class social media and PR teams deal with it. Annoying for us fans, maybe, but that's how it goes.

 

[Cobwebcat]

City have no interest trying to convert or defend against long standing 30+ legacy (please excuse the phrase) fans of rival clubs. They are concentrating on the generation to come who have no interest in who was great 20 years ago or that City might have spent too much.

Each day that goes by the history clubs become more irrelevant while the positive affects City have on the younger generation grows. You can see the affect every day, it’s all around you.

One day maybe City will be the history club and we will be moaning to the wind while the new club ignores and then passes us. Or maybe we will see it coming and adapt rather than wasting precious time fighting short term battles that can’t be won or are irrelevant.

City know this but a lot of our fan base think we are not fighting. We win the fights that matter. Our owners also have long memories. Be patient and learn not to care about the noise and concentrate on the signal.

The noise is social media.

The signal right now is that we are the number one Brand in World Football and have won the treble. We are developing our stadium while United and Liverpool are up for sale.

City are doing their bit and then some. If our fans don’t see it that way then that’s a shame but it won’t alter City’s attitude. Don’t look to what City do or don’t say because it doesn’t matter in the long term. Look to what they do.

City are winning on every front that matters. If they choose not to fight one battle (be it what some fool on twitter says about empty seats, oil money, cheating or the like) then there is a reason. It might be upsetting you but it is not a battle City care about. Accept it.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

That's not correct. We should work on the basis the Independent Commission will be impartial and competent. The key thing that would give rise to an appeal to the Courts would be acting against the "normal laws of justice" as you put it.

Rule X.37 of the PL Rules states that EXCEPT FOR the provisions of sections 67 to 71 of the Arbitration Act (AA), the award shall be final and binding on the parties and there shall be no right of appeal. This is Section 68 of the AA.


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@projectriver
In these instances we may apply to ‘what’ court?
To which court does this refer to?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

And for readers who might not know this, The Times, TalkTV and TalkSport are all operated by News Corp so that is why there is that degree of coordination.

Edit: though I'm not sure you'd have to pay too much for that sort of coordination, editors at Talk/Times would sort that themselves.

All owned by Murdoch, aren’t they? Including Sky Sport.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

All owned by Murdoch, aren’t they? Including Sky Sport.

All owned by Murdoch, yeah, but he sold off Sky in 2018.