ULEZ Letter

[joe123]

It’s a fuss about nothing that the Tory party have hypocritically latched on to because they think it might get them some votes. There will be scaremongering about a nationwide ULEZ in the run up to the next election because they think it’s a vote winner.

Is the right answer!

Although it does seem to have riled up the hard of thinking, which is always amusing.

 

[Blue Maverick]

The new zone is estimated to bring in £96m a year which is the equivalent of 20,000 vehicles. Which is 0.7% of the cars in London.

TFL has annual revunues of nearly £10Bn and spends 90% of that every year on maintaining the public transport system and roads. You can look up where and what it spends its money on pretty easily if you care.

So on top of the £230 million collected in the smaller zone plus the £74 million in fines they are going to add a further £96 million. Fantastic and if everyone suddenly stopped driving then what ? Couldn’t cope could it? So they’ve got you by the short and curlies.

 

[hilts]

I'm like a tripwire in fairness. Going to stay out of the politics forum in future! Thought this was a slam dunk to rant about safely but seems the only 5 people who think this is a good idea reside in this thread!

Not good at arguing online, generally have called everyone involved a **** and sent my address to people challenging them to a bare knuckle within 5 minutes.

Lol quality that's made me laugh. It's the Internet fella I don't remember 99% of the people i have barneyed with.

 

[hampshireblue]

Is it the principle or the cost that people are up iin arms about? It is law that cities have to reduce their levels of pollution, brought in by HMG. It was also a requirement of the bail out for TfL that ULEZ be extended-so a Tory policy.

Now I get that £12.50 feels alot, but won't the likes of plumbers and man in a van just pass on the cost to their customers, and if they are really deceitful, pass it on twice if they have 2 jobs within the zone, or if more honest do 2 jobs and pass on half to each or however many jobs they can fit in and divide accordingly. If the daily charge was £3. would this still be a major issue?

However much it is, people need to remember it's a Tory poicy being instigated by Khan.

 

[Silva Citizen]

The government need to replace the revenue they are going to lose when fuel duty drops due the there imposed electric vehicles. ULEZ is just one stream - it will come to Manchester in one guise or another - The other stream is going to be toll roads the toll technology is already up. Those observation cameras that are on Smart motorways are the revenue collectors.
It’s not going to be a vote winner for either party unless one comes out and categorically says it will scrap ULEZ.

 

[west didsblue]

It’s admittedly clever politics by the Tories to bring in a necessary but unpopular law that is mandated to be implemented in the big cities by mostly Labour administrations. As we have seen it’s the Labour mayor in London getting shit for it and we’ve seen similar for Burnham up here with the regularly postponed Manchester equivalent. All it needs is a mostly compliant media and that’s exactly what they’ve got.

 

[inbetween]

Is it the principle or the cost that people are up iin arms about? It is law that cities have to reduce their levels of pollution, brought in by HMG. It was also a requirement of the bail out for TfL that ULEZ be extended-so a Tory policy.

Now I get that £12.50 feels alot, but won't the likes of plumbers and man in a van just pass on the cost to their customers, and if they are really deceitful, pass it on twice if they have 2 jobs within the zone, or if more honest do 2 jobs and pass on half to each or however many jobs they can fit in and divide accordingly. If the daily charge was £3. would this still be a major issue?

However much it is, people need to remember it's a Tory poicy being instigated by Khan.

They shouldn't be charging people at all.

The whole point of these schemes is to improve pollution and help climate change. Asking people who have no choice isn't the solution because they'll just pay it and then the pollution problem doesn't change. Rich people with Range Rovers aren't going to care either way.

People in an ULEZ have a choice really, pay £12.50 per day or find £10-15k for a new car. If you have absolutely nothing and have to drive for work then it looks like you're paying £12.50 per day.

With the costs of getting to work, petrol, insurance, congestion charge and also the lack of pay-rises etc, nowadays it might actually be easier to just bin the car off, spend the money on booze and just not work.

 

[domalino]

Fantastic and if everyone suddenly stopped driving then what ? Couldn’t cope could it? So they’ve got you by the short and curlies.

No, if all the people effected by the new ULEZ zone all stopped driving the public transport system would cope just fine.

 

[domalino]

People in an ULEZ have a choice really, pay £12.50 per day or find £10-15k for a new car. If you have absolutely nothing and have to drive for work then it looks like you're paying £12.50 per day.

With the costs of getting to work, petrol, insurance, congestion charge and also the lack of pay-rises etc, nowadays it might actually be easier to just bin the car off, spend the money on booze and just not work.

Or instead of becoming out of work alcoholics, they could do something like....

Scrap their old car, get £2k from the government, use that money to put a deposit down on a second hand hire purchase.

If you go on autotrader right now, with a £2k deposit you could get a hatchback from 2010-2013 - so lots of leeway on future emissions standards - for about £30 a month.

Oh look, it turns out it wasn't a completely insurmountable problem!

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

They shouldn't be charging people at all.

The whole point of these schemes is to improve pollution and help climate change. Asking people who have no choice isn't the solution because they'll just pay it and then the pollution problem doesn't change. Rich people with Range Rovers aren't going to care either way.

People in an ULEZ have a choice really, pay £12.50 per day or find £10-15k for a new car. If you have absolutely nothing and have to drive for work then it looks like you're paying £12.50 per day.

With the costs of getting to work, petrol, insurance, congestion charge and also the lack of pay-rises etc, nowadays it might actually be easier to just bin the car off, spend the money on booze and just not work.

Or ride on the bus or tube?

Unless they sponge of relatives or friends they won't be sitting on their arse when the DWP require you to look for work within 90 minutes public transport and you have access to rail,tube and buses.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Or instead of becoming out of work alcoholics, they could do something like....

Scrap their old car, get £2k from the government, use that money to put a deposit down on a second hand hire purchase.

If you go on autotrader right now, with a £2k deposit you could get a hatchback from 2010-2013 - so lots of leeway on future emissions standards - for about £30 a month.

Oh look, it turns out it wasn't a completely insurmountable problem!

but you have to be on benefits to get the £2k and that’s on a new car not a second hand one, so if you are on them I guess getting into debt to afford the rest of the car may be a problem. Also many commute into London so if you don’t live in those boroughs you don’t qualify.

ULEZ Scrappage Scheme – all you need to know

The Mayor of London has announced a ULEZ scrappage scheme which aims to clear the Capital's roads of the UK's most polluting cars and motorbikes. But what vehicles are eligible, who can apply, how much can you save and why does this matter?

www.carwow.co.uk

 

[domalino]

but you have to be on benefits to get the £2k and that’s on a new car not a second hand one, so if you are on them I guess getting into debt to afford the rest of the car may be a problem.

ULEZ Scrappage Scheme – all you need to know

The Mayor of London has announced a ULEZ scrappage scheme which aims to clear the Capital's roads of the UK's most polluting cars and motorbikes. But what vehicles are eligible, who can apply, how much can you save and why does this matter?

www.carwow.co.uk

How many people driving 18+ year old cars do you think are not eligible for any of these?

• Universal Credit
• Armed Forces Independence Payment
• Attendance Allowance
• Carer’s Allowance
• Child Tax Credit
• Constant Attendance Allowance
• Disability Living Allowance
• Employment and Support Allowance
• Housing Benefit
• Income Support
• Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit
• Jobseeker’s Allowance
• Pension Credit
• Personal Independence Payment
• Severe Disablement Allowance
• War Pensions Mobility Supplement
• Working Tax Credit

I don't think you actually have to buy a brand new car to get the scrappage grant - it's certainly not mentioned anywhere on the TFL website.


On the one hand I have people saying "You're just screwing over the poorest 2%" and then on the other "You have to be on benefits to get help". The poorest 2% are on benefits. What a surprise, the people who came up with this scheme actually spent more than 5 minutes thinking about it.

 

[Blue Maverick]

How many people driving 18+ year old cars do you think are not eligible for any of these?

• Universal Credit
• Armed Forces Independence Payment
• Attendance Allowance
• Carer’s Allowance
• Child Tax Credit
• Constant Attendance Allowance
• Disability Living Allowance
• Employment and Support Allowance
• Housing Benefit
• Income Support
• Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit
• Jobseeker’s Allowance
• Pension Credit
• Personal Independence Payment
• Severe Disablement Allowance
• War Pensions Mobility Supplement
• Working Tax Credit

No idea, but how many can afford new cars if they do? You quoted auto trader and buying one second hand care to comment on that bit? You were wrong on that, so tell me again how they afford it, because it ain’t £30 a month as you stated.

 

[domalino]

No idea, but how many can afford new cars if they do? You quoted auto trader and buying one second hand care to comment on that bit? You were wrong on that, so tell me again how they afford it, because it ain’t £30 a month as you stated.

I wasn't wrong, it doesn't say you have to buy a brand new car anywhere on the governments scrappage scheme.

It's a SCRAPPAGE SCHEME. The money is for scrapping the cars, not money off a new one. You can scrap the car and keep the money if you want.

You upload proof of the car's destruction and the government pays you money. Nothing to do with new cars.

ULEZ car and motorcycle scrappage scheme

The Mayor of London's scrappage scheme provides financial assistance to help London residents scrap cars, motorcycles and wheelchair accessible vehicles that don’t meet the ULEZ emissions standards. The zone expand across all London boroughs on 29 Aug 23

tfl.gov.uk

Perhaps you should spend more time reading about the legislation you're so angry about instead of just adopting whatever position the Daily Mail/GB News tells you to.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I wasn't wrong, it doesn't say you have to buy a brand new car anywhere on the governments scrappage scheme.

It's a SCRAPPAGE SCHEME. The money is for scrapping the cars, not money off a new one. You can scrap the car and keep the money if you want.

You upload proof of the car's destruction and the government pays you money. Nothing to do with new cars.

ULEZ car and motorcycle scrappage scheme

The Mayor of London's scrappage scheme provides financial assistance to help London residents scrap cars, motorcycles and wheelchair accessible vehicles that don’t meet the ULEZ emissions standards. The zone expand across all London boroughs on 29 Aug 23

tfl.gov.uk

And you keep quoting 18 year old cars yet it’s diesel 2015 that’s 8 years ago of a perfectly good vehicle, so the example you quoted was wrong then! £2k won’t last long if you have a family to get about will it?

 

[Blue Maverick]

My 2015 diesel is compliant.

Depends if it’s euro 5 or 6 mate some late 2015 got the newer engines.

 

[bluethrunthru]

No idea, but how many can afford new cars if they do? You quoted auto trader and buying one second hand care to comment on that bit? You were wrong on that, so tell me again how they afford it, because it ain’t £30 a month as you stated.

Most cars are leased nowadays and not bought when new - creates a supply of used for sale who's use and maintenance has been highly regulated by the manufacturers and dealers

 

[Vic]

Is it the principle or the cost that people are up iin arms about? It is law that cities have to reduce their levels of pollution, brought in by HMG. It was also a requirement of the bail out for TfL that ULEZ be extended-so a Tory policy.

Now I get that £12.50 feels alot, but won't the likes of plumbers and man in a van just pass on the cost to their customers, and if they are really deceitful, pass it on twice if they have 2 jobs within the zone, or if more honest do 2 jobs and pass on half to each or however many jobs they can fit in and divide accordingly. If the daily charge was £3. would this still be a major issue?

However much it is, people need to remember it's a Tory poicy being instigated by Khan.

Paying £5 to drop off / pick up at airports doesn't seem to have been absorbed by taxi drivers.

 

[bluethrunthru]

quite simply these needs to be implemented and its impact in the real world then if a small number of the poor and disadvantaged are impacted too adversely the thing can be tweaked to be a better fit.

Too many people are influenced by a hate for Labour, for Khan or just for change they are believing some shit and not seeing the facts.

Facts - its Johnsons baby from when he was London Mayor and its being widened is because Shapps insisted on it as part of a TFL bail out in Covid times. Obvs the Tories didn't mention that but for the life of me I cannot understand why Labour didn't campaign on it.

Lies - its all Khans doing - its not see above. I saw a tweet from a Labour canvasser from the byelection who was astounded to be met on the doorstep by someone ranting and raving about "Khans ULEZ tax" and how he wasn't going to pay it whilst at the same time charging up his Tesla on his drive. And we have a lad from Oldham seemingly worried about its impact - can't see Khan extending its borders to Royton. Oh and the Tory campaigned on the ticket that he would get the ULEZ charge dropped....... how? He is one MP and its in law so he had no power in that respect.

 

[Blue Maverick]

quite simply these needs to be implemented and its impact in the real world then if a small number of the poor and disadvantaged are impacted too adversely the thing can be tweaked to be a better fit.

Too many people are influenced by a hate for Labour, for Khan or just for change they are believing some shit and not seeing the facts.

Facts - its Johnsons baby from when he was London Mayor and its being widened is because Shapps insisted on it as part of a TFL bail out in Covid times. Obvs the Tories didn't mention that but for the life of me I cannot understand why Labour didn't campaign on it.

Lies - its all Khans doing - its not see above. I saw a tweet from a Labour canvasser from the byelection who was astounded to be met on the doorstep by someone ranting and raving about "Khans ULEZ tax" and how he wasn't going to pay it whilst at the same time charging up his Tesla on his drive. And we have a lad from Oldham seemingly worried about its impact - can't see Khan extending its borders to Royton. Oh and the Tory campaigned on the ticket that he would get the ULEZ charge dropped....... how? He is one MP and its in law so he had no power in that respect.

Wont be rolled out from London mate, I just posted the original thing to see if anyone else had got one and it’s coming here soon as it already has in many cities, just got to Birmingham