ULEZ Letter

MouldensChippy said:
Absolutely untrue, Burnham was suddenly against a charging CAZ when his original scheme was slapped down. The original huge scheme was his idea, if you've followed it closely instead of listening to his hubris. He was pressurised to admit on one of his weekly chats with Mike Sweeney, who couldn't quite run cover for him.

He was all for charging on the 493 sq miles, but suddenly wanted it to be free on the smaller suggested scheme. It was politically neccessary for him in the run up to local elections. Two of the boroughs (originally three) were never required to have any CAZ zone, but jumped straight into his cash generating scheme. One Borough, Bolton, who never wanted to be part of it were forced to join by legal threats.
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You're so wrong it's funny. How many of the meetings about this were you in?

A charging CAZ was the only thing that could be shown to make the level of change legally required in the timescale from 100+ options looked at. Even that wouldn't have fixed it due to the motorway network, but that was a government rather than local issue and was therefore apparently ok.

I'll leave it at that as you're not going to change your mind.
 
bluesince76 said:
You're so wrong it's funny. How many of the meetings about this were you in?

A charging CAZ was the only thing that could be shown to make the level of change legally required in the timescale from 100+ options looked at. Even that wouldn't have fixed it due to the motorway network, but that was a government rather than local issue and was therefore apparently ok.

I'll leave it at that as you're not going to change your mind.
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The motorways aren't chargeable, you should know that. The government seem to think that a Manchester city centre charging zone is required, and that is all, as they have suggested. That's the point Andy suddenly went all no charge.

He was fine with charging on his original plan of 493 sq miles, which is why all of the signage was put up, he told concerned people onRadio Manchester to just sell their vehicles outside of GM. There is documentation that proves all of this.
 
bluesince76 said:
You're so wrong it's funny. How many of the meetings about this were you in?

A charging CAZ was the only thing that could be shown to make the level of change legally required in the timescale from 100+ options looked at. Even that wouldn't have fixed it due to the motorway network, but that was a government rather than local issue and was therefore apparently ok.

I'll leave it at that as you're not going to change your mind.
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and these things have a long gestation period at times too. my daughters 3 years at Cumbria Uni coincided by the widening - by several lane - of the A1 going around the West side of the Toon. Three years of fucking misery with roadworks and massive queues it was hard to see why all the pain and for what gain?

Four years later and guess what? A clean air charge in Newcastle over the Tyne Bridge into the City Centre. That routes through traffic around the edge onto the now snarled up widened A1. Clearly the former had to happen for the latter to come in.

Two things - I did 3 years and 38k miles in a 10 year old Picasso petrol that cost me £1700 which I bought to run into the ground to do the job and scrap - millionaire life style I know - Mouldens chippy will be so jealous.
Secondly -it was introduced over the last 12 months the last being private cars - along the same lines as the ULEZ at £12.50 a day. There were a few quibbles at the start but it soon died down when how it was applied became obvious - I'd guess Newcastle has no more swanky non compliant cars than that there Lundun and of course Sid The Sexist is too hard to have a paddy over something he thinks isn't a big thing.
 
MouldensChippy said:
The motorways aren't chargeable, you should know that. The government seem to think that a Manchester city centre charging zone is required, and that is all, as they have suggested. That's the point Andy suddenly went all no charge.

He was fine with charging on his original plan of 493 sq miles, which is why all of the signage was put up, he told concerned people onRadio Manchester to just sell their vehicles outside of GM. There is documentation that proves all of this.
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I said the motorways aren't chargeable, but, unsurprisingly, are the bits with the worst air quality. If you live next to a motorway you'd be screwed with nothing being done to improve it, especially from any vehicles that just pass through the area.

The problem area, pre-Covid (don't know about now) was much bigger than the city centre. It's also more complex than that - Trafford Centre will be very happy if the charge only applies to shoppers in the city centre for a start. That was why it was all 10 authorities or none.
 
bluethrunthru said:
however its not

National life tables – life expectancy in the UK - Office for National Statistics

Trends in period life expectancy, a measure of the average number of years people will live beyond their current age, analysed by age and sex for the UK and its constituent countries.
www.ons.gov.uk
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Did you bother reading the statisticians comment ?

Basically there is an anomaly in the statistics due to the coronavirus pandemic, and that life expectancy will probably return to an improving trend. Even with the pandemic figures included you were talking about a drop of 7 weeks for males, and next to zero for females !
 
MouldensChippy said:
Did you bother reading the statisticians comment ?

Basically there is an anomaly in the statistics due to the coronavirus pandemic, and that life expectancy will probably return to an improving trend. Even with the pandemic figures included you were talking about a drop of 7 weeks for males, and next to zero for females !
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Yes - and research is a great thing - go and read BMA and ONS articles on life expectancy and you'll find that the places which were industrialised and had shit air - London - Brum - Yorkshire - North West England and the North East your life expectancy for bloke can be up to 19 years lower than the leafy rural south - funny that eh?
 
bluethrunthru said:
Yes - and research is a great thing - go and read BMA and ONS articles on life expectancy and you'll find that the places which were industrialised and had shit air - London - Brum - Yorkshire - North West England and the North East your life expectancy for bloke can be up to 19 years lower than the leafy rural south - funny that eh?
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We've known that for a very long time, they knew this around the times of the industrial revolution. which is part of the reason the rich had country homes to escape the squalor they caused. Nowadays, lots move into swanky apartments in city centres. They still expect the poor to provide for them though.

Can you teach a grandma to suck eggs also ?

Even funnier is the fact that being poor kills you faster.
 
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