ULEZ Letter

[meltonblue]

They reopened the inquest and there was a sense when it was reopened it could be the first time in the UK that air pollution was the cause of death. The second inquest upheld the conclusion of the first.

Irrespective of the semantics the quality of air was considered way below where it should have been for her due to local PM levels and no one should have to live in those conditions. ULEZ won’t solve this, nor would taking every car/van/ bus off the roads of London or making them all electric.

I don’t know much about what the main drivers are but would that not have an impact on PM levels? What would instead, is it industrial pollution?

 

[metalblue]

I don’t know much about what the main drivers are but would that not have an impact on PM levels? What would instead, is it industrial pollution?

Not entirely sure mate. According to reports transport accounts for 12% (so let’s not say it’s entirely irrelevant) and another 12% coming from industrial and domestic heating but 75% comes in to London from outside of London…. how do you even begin to find local solution’s for that short of putting a dome over the place? Needs a national conversation and science agreeing on causes then a National government response. It could even just be the geography of where London is and weather patterns.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It literally wasn’t. What expertise do I have? An ability to read I suppose

Giving his conclusion over almost an hour, the coroner said: "I will conclude that Ella died of asthma, contributed to by exposure to excessive air pollution."

Ergo cause of death was asthma.

Developing Asthma in the first place can be caused by pollution. It's not possible to say conclusively whether it originally developed because or air Pollution or whether it was only worsened by asthma. But we know it had an effect because she lived in a highly polluted area.

But the fact you have glanced over the fact that asthma can be caused by pollution does you a great disservice.

This is the sort of disingenuous nonsense typical of Tory boys.

 

[meltonblue]

Developing Asthma in the first place can be caused by pollution. It's not possible to say conclusively whether it originally developed because or air Pollution or whether it was only worsened by asthma. But we know it had an effect because she lived in a highly polluted area.

But the fact you have glanced over the fact that asthma can be caused by pollution does you a great disservice.

This is the sort of disingenuous nonsense typical of Tory boys.

It was added as a cause of death in the most recent inquest too -

Medical cause of death:
1a) Acute respiratory failure
1b) Severe asthma
1c) Air pollution exposure

 

[metalblue]

Developing Asthma in the first place can be caused by pollution. It's not possible to say conclusively whether it originally developed because or air Pollution or whether it was only worsened by asthma. But we know it had an effect because she lived in a highly polluted area.

But the fact you have glanced over the fact that asthma can be caused by pollution does you a great disservice.

This is the sort of disingenuous nonsense typical of Tory boys.

Tory boy? The first cut is always the deepest :(

You’ve moved from little Ella died from pollution to we can’t say conclusively. That feels as close as we will get on this. Agreed the pollution levels where she (and thousands of others live) is not acceptable and something has to change.

Ya leftie tosser ;)

 

[Blue Maverick]

It's not sensationalism it was recorded on her death certificate as cause of death.

What expertise and special knowledge do you have to deny it and argue differently?

My cousins ex fella died of Covid when really he was an alcoholic and his liver etc were failing badly, covid just finished him off earlier, which was lucky for her as insurance wouldn’t pay out on death by alcoholism.

 

[The blue phantom]

What a sad state of affairs when there's posters just totally denying any fact that this young kid died of Air pollution to prove some fuckin cheap point. Her Mum has been on umpteen News programmes in the last few days explaining it all and pleading with Sadiq Khan not to back down.

 

[blueinsa]

What a sad state of affairs when there's posters just totally denying any fact that this young kid died of Air pollution to prove some fuckin cheap point. Her Mum has been on umpteen News programmes in the last few days explaining it all and pleading with Sadiq Khan not to back down.

I’ve not seen anyone do that to be fair.

I’ve read arguments to say it was a contributory factor alongside their asthma.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

My cousins ex fella died of Covid when really he was an alcoholic and his liver etc were failing badly, covid just finished him off earlier, which was lucky for her as insurance wouldn’t pay out on death by alcoholism.

Yes I understand that logic. But the difference is we conclusively know that covid didn't cause his alcoholism.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Yes understand that logic. But the difference is we conclusively know that covid didn't cause his alcoholism.

Oh I know that but what I’m saying is what’s on the death certificate may not necessarily be the main cause, just a factor.