ULEZ Letter

bluethrunthru said:
No I say I drive an ULEZ liable vehicle because I want to and accept there is cost associated with that in the unlikely event that I was to drive into the ULEZ from where I live about 300 miles away.

Mate I live on a grand a month pension - thats it - I am on a low income - all you are doing is flailing about now.

How often do you or do you anticipate having to drive into the ULEZ area out of interest?
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I never intend to drive into the London ULEZ zone, but am far more concerned about the upcoming manchester CAZ zone, because as we have seen going by Londons example it's the thin end of a long wedge for which we'll all be paying.

If I chose to drive into London, my vehicle is ULEZ complliant. I am trying to support the poorly paid here, and all of the so called socialists are backing a cash grabbing scheme. The camera systems are already set up for surveilance so where do you think that is going lead to ?

We're being conned and gaslighted on a grand scale by all of our political parties !
 
meltonblue said:
Or Starmer could win the next GE and do the same. Either way though, I was talking about it from the mindset of mitigating impact to people and the current proposed implementation rather than the political aspect.
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they have no interest in mitigation its all politics - despite ULEZ being their idea
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
This is what escapes my understanding at the moment. What is the accumulated £12.50s gonna buy that cleans the air, or is Khan convinced that £12.50 will reduce the toxic level to an acceptable low. I'm very suspicious that it's just gonna go into a council cash till that has nothing to do with cleaning air.
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You can get street furniture that cleans the air, but I doubt it'll be used for that. The purpose of it is to encourage people out of the most polluting vehicles which will result in cleaner air for all.
 
MouldensChippy said:
I never intend to drive into the London ULEZ zone, but am far more concerned about the upcoming manchester CAZ zone, because as we have seen going by Londons example it's the thin end of a long wedge for which we'll all be paying.

If I chose to drive into London, my vehicle is ULEZ complliant. I am trying to support the poorly paid here, and all of the so called socialists are backing a cash grabbing scheme. The camera systems are already set up for surveilance so where do you think that is going lead to ?

We're being conned and gaslighted on a grand scale by all of our political parties !
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15 minute cities. You will own nothing and you will be happy...
 
bluesince76 said:
You can get street furniture that cleans the air, but I doubt it'll be used for that. The purpose of it is to encourage people out of the most polluting vehicles which will result in cleaner air for all.
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This is a vicious circle now, there are plenty of everyday folk who just don't have the finances to be 'encouraged'.
 
MouldensChippy said:
I never intend to drive into the London ULEZ zone, but am far more concerned about the upcoming manchester CAZ zone, because as we have seen going by Londons example it's the thin end of a long wedge for which we'll all be paying.

If I chose to drive into London, my vehicle is ULEZ complliant. I am trying to support the poorly paid here, and all of the so called socialists are backing a cash grabbing scheme. The camera systems are already set up for surveilance so where do you think that is going lead to ?

We're being conned and gaslighted on a grand scale by all of our political parties !
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well again you are getting your knickers in a twist over something that isn't happening yet if at all - you are part of the gas lighting effort - probably because you don't realise you are.

If Burnham does introduced on you do know it will be because he is required to do so by THE GOVERNMENT by 2026. You know who is the Government yeah?
 
bluethrunthru said:
well again you are getting your knickers in a twist over something that isn't happening yet if at all - you are part of the gas lighting effort - probably because you don't realise you are.

If Burnham does introduced on you do know it will be because he is required to do so by THE GOVERNMENT by 2026. You know who is the Government yeah?
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Burnham was actually against a charging CAZ and wanted other options, but Greater Manchester was given little money for those and Terese Coffey, as environment secretary, told us we had to have it or they'd take us to court. Obviously then blamed Burnham when it was unpopular...

I'm no fan of Burnham, but the CAZ around here was done to him not by him
 
bluesince76 said:
Are you wearing your tim foil hat whilst typing that?
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15 minute cities are here and have been for years - go into a big city and within 15 mins of a lot of places there are shops - entertainment venues - pubs and places of work. Thats again something else the hard of thinking are getting wound up over - promoted by people like the massive commercial property investor that is Richard Tice.

People in City centres own plenty of stuff and will continue to do so. If you are paying a mortgage on a £1,5m city centre flat whats gonna happen? Will the Govt confiscate it? Will the fridge Police come for your white goods?
 
bluethrunthru said:
15 minute cities are here and have been for years - go into a big city and within 15 mins of a lot of places there are shops - entertainment venues - pubs and places of work. Thats again something else the hard of thinking are getting wound up over - promoted by people like the massive commercial property investor that is Richard Tice.

People in City centres own plenty of stuff and will continue to do so. If you are paying a mortgage on a £1,5m city centre flat whats gonna happen? Will the Govt confiscate it? Will the fridge Police come for your white goods?
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Stop spoiling a good trap.
 
bluethrunthru said:
well again you are getting your knickers in a twist over something that isn't happening yet if at all - you are part of the gas lighting effort - probably because you don't realise you are.

If Burnham does introduced on you do know it will be because he is required to do so by THE GOVERNMENT by 2026. You know who is the Government yeah?
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He was told to cut his grand scheme by over 90%, but............

He tried to blame it on the Government, until he was pressured to admit that it was all his idea.

The camera system is already in place throughout the 493 sq mile zone, it would be here already if wasn't for the more than 80,000 strong group who protested it, raised there own funds for legal challenges, and forced it to be postponed. The taxpayer has funded millions in signage, cameras, systems, and is currently paying over £300,000 a month to run the system before it was even signed off.

He's been out and recruited the executive who ran TfL into a financial black hole to the same position at TfGM. It's not a case of if.
 
MouldensChippy said:
He was told to cut his grand scheme by over 90%, but............

He tried to blame it on the Government, until he was pressured to admit that it was all his idea.

The camera system is already in place throughout the 493 sq mile zone, it would be here already if wasn't for the more than 80,000 strong group who protested it, raised there own funds for legal challenges, and forced it to be postponed. The taxpayer has funded millions in signage, cameras, systems, and is currently paying over £300,000 a month to run the system before it was even signed off.

He's been out and recruited the executive who ran TfL into a financial black hole to the same position at TfGM. It's not a case of if.
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sorry just no longer interested in your flailing bull shit - I am out
 
bluesince76 said:
Burnham was actually against a charging CAZ and wanted other options, but Greater Manchester was given little money for those and Terese Coffey, as environment secretary, told us we had to have it or they'd take us to court. Obviously then blamed Burnham when it was unpopular...

I'm no fan of Burnham, but the CAZ around here was done to him not by him
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Absolutely untrue, Burnham was suddenly against a charging CAZ when his original scheme was slapped down. The original huge scheme was his idea, if you've followed it closely instead of listening to his hubris. He was pressurised to admit on one of his weekly chats with Mike Sweeney, who couldn't quite run cover for him.

He was all for charging on the 493 sq miles, but suddenly wanted it to be free on the smaller suggested scheme. It was politically neccessary for him in the run up to local elections. Two of the boroughs (originally three) were never required to have any CAZ zone, but jumped straight into his cash generating scheme. One Borough, Bolton, who never wanted to be part of it were forced to join by legal threats.
 
bluethrunthru said:
sorry just no longer interested in your flailing bull shit - I am out
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Nowt flailing, nowt bullshit, go and check it all out for yourself, or are you too lazy, and just want to believe the bloke who told you that he personally got the bus fare in Manchester reduced to £2, when it was a countrywide government initiative ?
 
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