Chelsea Thread - 2023/24

[Vialli98]

Posting with glee..

Get to fcuk..!

It's a fkin sad state of affairs that by the Looks of it, City are the fall guys for all things FFP..

Can you blame people for venting their disgust when Chelsea, the rags and dippers have all come a cropper of these fkin bent rules and have received not even a slap in the wrist..

Your club along with the other 2 mentioned are fkin cheats and don't you forget it..

I won’t get into an argument with you about this. I’ve responded to a few now with what I think. I’ll leave you to it.

 

[give it to gordon]

Posting with glee..

Get to fcuk..!

It's a fkin sad state of affairs that by the Looks of it, City are the fall guys for all things FFP..

Can you blame people for venting their disgust when Chelsea, the rags and dippers have all come a cropper of these fkin bent rules and have received not even a slap in the wrist..

Your club along with the other 2 mentioned are fkin cheats and don't you forget it..

Yep and City have been proven not to have broken any ffp by CAS. Yet these teams have all cheated

 

[ASHCFC]

Yep. I get that Chelsea fans want to show their club in the best light, but "sailing too close to the wind" is a little disingenuous. Incomplete reporting for FFP has been accepted by Chelsea and the fine is a punishment for breaching the regulations, presumably in respect of providing accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view. Sound familiar?

Except City don't accept that the club has done that. In fact, City have never been punished for breaching FFP, other than for non-compliance with an investigation. In 2012 the club settled without admitting guilt (big mistake that was, in hindsight). In 2020 there was no evidence of any UEFA FFP breaches, other than non-disclosure. And the 2023 PL charges are merely allegations being challenged.

But whatever floats Chelsea's boat I suppose.

Good to hear from you bro.

All I can say is my position must be reasonably sound if you're having to take issue with my terminology [emoji846]

 

[ASHCFC]

I won’t get into an argument with you about this. I’ve responded to a few now with what I think. I’ll leave you to it.

Amen.

Isn't there a thread over on the Bluemoon page dedicated to City's fight against the forces of evil?

 

[Vialli98]

Amen.

Isn't there a thread over on the Bluemoon page dedicated to City's fight against the forces of evil?

I mean I understand why so many are in here, after what they’ve been through.

I’ve been here for years and one thing that has served me well has been to take a step back when the locals are upset and and come back when it’s calmed down. But not before responding to a few posts so no one can say I’m dodging the issue.

 

[Paladin]

That is literally what happened. When this minor infraction was discovered by the new ownership during the sales process over 12 months ago, they notified UEFA and waited for their decision. When Boehly said Chelsea were complaint with FFP, it was always in response to his ownership’s spending, and he would be entirely accurate.

I understand why City fans are flocking into this thread in their droves posting with glee, I won’t get in the way of that.

I'm not sure how you attributed that quote to me, as it wasn't made by me.

I've nothing against you or Chelsea, and I doubt most City fans have to be honest. Our gripe is with the unfairness from UEFA and the PL.

Boehly apparently found these discrepancies during his due diligence process and notified UEFA over a year ago. Why therefore has it just come to light? (Same with United). When we were charged, it seemed every man and his dog got to know about every detail of the process before even the club.

Another point that seems to be overlooked is that this isn't a minor infraction. The false reporting started in 2012 and continued until 2019. That sounds like a deliberate cover up to me.

City were fined €10m for failing to assist with a UEFA enquiry. It seems unfair that Chelsea are fined the exact same amount for actually breaking FFP rules for seven consecutive years.

 

[Fordyboy46]

Yet another player signed for 25m, 800 m spent in the last three windows so far but barely a negative comment thrown their way from the media. We have never gone on such reckless spending sprees, our big spending was done in Pep's first couple of seasons. Boehly looks like he just has a scattergun approach to things, but it's obviously fine and dandy to keep spending as much as they want

 

[ASHCFC]

Chelsea have agreed a deal to sign midfielder Lesley Ugochukwu from Rennes for €27m (£23.1m).

Ugochukwu came through the academy at Rennes and has gone on to make 60 appearances for the club, including 35 in all competitions last season. He also has 6 caps for France u19s.

Another exciting youngster joins our ranks. The lad is predominantly a CDM.

 

[Vialli98]

I'm not sure how you attributed that quote to me, as it wasn't made by me.

I've nothing against you or Chelsea, and I doubt most City fans have to be honest. Our gripe is with the unfairness from UEFA and the PL.

Boehly apparently found these discrepancies during his due diligence process and notified UEFA over a year ago. Why therefore has it just come to light? (Same with United). When we were charged, it seemed every man and his dog got to know about every detail of the process before even the club.

Another point that seems to be overlooked is that this isn't a minor infraction. The false reporting started in 2012 and continued until 2019. That sounds like a deliberate cover up to me.

City were fined €10m for failing to assist with a UEFA enquiry. It seems unfair that Chelsea are fined the exact same amount for actually breaking FFP rules for seven consecutive years.

My apologies. I don’t know why it added you into the quote and attributed some of the quote to you. I was only responding to @Manc in London.

The thing is, we don’t know if it was continuous infractions or as little as two infractions that were 7 years apart, and we don’t know nature of the infractions, but it was reported to have minor infractions so you can’t with any degree of confidence say rules were broken for 7 consecutive years. I’m sure more will come out in the future as these sports investigative journalists get their teeth stuck into this.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I mean I understand why so many are in here, after what they’ve been through.

I’ve been here for years and one thing that has served me well has been to take a step back when the locals are upset and and come back when it’s calmed down. But not before responding to a few posts so no one can say I’m dodging the issue.

Probably wise, as you always (normally) are but before you take a step back, can you actually explain what this minor infraction was that took place over 8 years and warranted a 10 million fine?

I can give a pretty good explanation of what I think the charges are against City and why we are confident about our case based on information in the public domain.

What do we actually know about Chelsea's misdemeanours?

 

[manimanc]

Cheating cunts.
There, that feels nice, especially after every football fan under the sun has called us rotten for years.

I don't know anything what goes on with your club, I don't even know how you've got away with lying for years but it gives me great satisfaction and enormous pleasure saying the following.
You should have all your titles taken off you.( not that there was many the last few years)
You should get relegated.
Erm..oh yeah....poch will probably walk.
Your owners should pack up and fuckoff back from where they came.
All your players will leave.



See how ridiculous I sound! But this is the kind of shite printed, tweeted and discussed about us and we've done fuckall wrong.

A token slap on the wrist for another American owner.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Cheating cunts.
There, that feels nice, especially after every football fan under the sun has called us rotten for years.

I don't know anything what goes on with your club, I don't even know how you've got away with lying for years but it gives me great satisfaction and enormous pleasure saying the following.
You should have all your titles taken off you.( not that there was many the last few years)
You should get relegated.
Erm..oh yeah....poch will probably walk.
Your owners should pack up and fuckoff back from where they came.
All your players will leave.



See how ridiculous I sound! But this is the kind of shite printed, tweeted and discussed about us and we've done fuckall wrong.

A token slap on the wrist for another American owner.

Tbf, we don't know what they did and probably never will. But I doubt very much it was one or two minor transactions in the 8 years. It sounds systematic to me, and significant enough to warrant a 10 million fine. I would really like to know more.

 

[Vialli98]

Probably wise, as you always (normally) are but before you take a step back, can you actually explain what this minor infraction was that took place over 8 years and warranted a 10 million fine?

I can give a pretty good explanation of what I think the charges are against City and why we are confident about our case based on information in the public domain.

What do we actually know about Chelsea's misdemeanours?

No idea mate. Nothing was said about it except the new ownership reported it immediately after noticing the discrepancy during the take over process and UEFA have taken this long to decide on it and the matter is now resolved. It could be 120 different infractions or 2. All we know for sure at bare minimum 2 of them were 7 years apart. It could be anything from actually cooking the books to missing emails. I have no idea, none of us will unless we get more reports and/or leaks.

 

[halfcenturyup]

No idea mate. Nothing was said about it except the new ownership reported it immediately after noticing the discrepancy during the take over process and UEFA have taken this long to decide on it and the matter is now resolved. It could be 120 different infractions or 2. All we know for sure at bare minimum 2 of them were 7 years apart. It could be anything from actually cooking the books to missing emails. I have no idea, none of us will unless we get more reports and/or leaks.

Fair enough.

But you can see why that grates on here. Details of charges against City are leaked to the press like throwing red meat to the lions, for other clubs it's hush-hush then a short non-detailed statement after they have been found to have done wrong.

The difference is inexplicable.

 

[Vialli98]

Fair enough.

But you can see why that grates on here. Details of charges against City are leaked to the press like throwing red meat to the lions, for other clubs it's hush-hush then a short non-detailed statement after they have been found to have done wrong.

The difference is inexplicable.

I totally get it, but weren’t the details leaked by the guy who hacked City’s emails? I think we know more details and it’s been reported on in more detail because of that. If it weren’t for that, I’d imagine UEFA would have nothing to investigate to begin with, unless I’m mistaken, and if they did it would have been a one of these standard investigations that we only hear about when the decision was announced?

 

[halfcenturyup]

I totally get it, but weren’t the details leaked by the guy who hacked City’s emails? I think we know more details and it’s been reported on in more detail because of that. If it weren’t for that, I’d imagine UEFA would have nothing to investigate to begin with, unless I’m mistaken, and if they did it would have been a one of these standard investigations that we only hear about when the decision was announced?

Almost there, but someone at UEFA was leaking details to the US press (why the US, good question) about the issues, the process and the likely (ie preferred) outcome. UEFA even announced an investigation into the leaks, although this went very quiet after certain execs left UEFA. And don't forget the leaks about the PL process as well.

Anyway, enough. I would sill like to know more about Chelsea's misdemeanours. I won't hold my breath.

 

[ASHCFC]

I won't hold my breath.

I think you should [emoji23]

Only kidding of course bro. I don't think any of us have any answers at this moment to the questions that naturally City fans like yourself are asking.

Maybe they'll be more information in the future, although given that UEFA and Chelsea have both declared this situation as resolved, I wouldn't hold your breath.

 

[MillsyTheMosher]

Another 45 m defender on his way to Chelsea. How the fuck are they spending what they are under this loon job Boehly ? Must be close to a billion spent under him alone.

And how the fuck are we the ones under investigation for finances ? Make it make sense.

 

[waspish]

Another 45 m defender on his way to Chelsea. How the fuck are they spending what they are under this loon job Boehly ? Must be close to a billion spent under him alone.

And how the fuck are we the ones under investigation for finances ? Make it make sense.

They'll just keep spending then when they fail premier ffp just admit it pay the fine of 10 bob and carry on...

 

[richards30]

How can Chelsea keep spending like this? @projectriver ?