you are right about the result, ie a closed shop, but as someone who attends I would be happy for the return of loyalty points and a rolling system, loyalty points i earnt 20 years ago shouldn’t be impacting allocations, they should cho of anything earnt 5 years before we stopped awarding loyalty points and start again, and then just keep dropping off the last year, if it was down to me it would be 70% loyalty points 20% supporters club 5% 18 to 22 and 5% for the club
Our club has 260 members and only gets 4 or six tickets, they are all going to hospitality or players family and friendsAlso have a friend in prestwich OSC and has been for quite a few years now, with a season ticket and ~14,000 points. He has yet to receive an away ticket for any game that he has asked for one, even against non big six teams, yet he’s heard of stories about the chairman’s pals getting tickets with less points and less time in the OSC. With a lot of OSCs it is who you know doesn’t matter if you go to more games or are ‘more deserving’ of tickets
I reckon it has gone beyond that, it only worked when there was less demand and more tickers available.I doubt any reasonable person would have a problem with the rolling points idea, as long as those with the most points now were given the opportunity to maintain their position.
As I’m sure you’re aware though, the second idea is just wishful thinking. The club is clearly going in the complete opposite direction of selling more tickets through points.
Even if what you say is true and some are opening just for tickets, most are not just for tickets.Many new OSCs are forming, purely on the basis that ticket availability is possible.
Some, like a few I know in China, say they formed so "we can apply for tickets" as told by a few former Shenzhen Blues (first mainland OSC). That's because some groups fragment and get upset by the allocated and limited number of available OSC tickets. From an already limited allocation of away pot, that only exacerbates the issue of availability.
Now it is debatable whether supporters clubs need labelling as heritage or international... or is it better to add loyalty points to OSCs, based on a twenty year recorded history at the Etihad? Has to be a better way than let Barcelona-Man Ure-Real shirt swappers walk into the Etihad week in, week out? Better than to see division amongst our own fanbase too?
If I appear xenophobic, I apologise but 9.5 years living near Shenzhen, and seeing a fanbase grow in a place where City were rarely on TV in 2014, is weird. The new OSCs need vetting by themselves... and legally by the government. There are too many members just interested in success and ease of access.
New OSCs are potentially so numerous, that OSCs in and around Manchester will be dwarfed in volume. The OSC is a great model but how fit for purpose is it? City a behemoth now. In 2011, we were nowhere near the current form. Before 2008 lesser so. Growth is great but sustainability and fairness amongst the City community should be a priority for our fans.
If most aren't for tickets, then they'll be no issue giving that up then?Even if what you say is true and some are opening just for tickets, most are not just for tickets.
OSCs will always be a good thing, it connects people and make people have a sense of belonging. Most people in OSCs like city and want to connect with other people that also like city.
I reckon it has gone beyond that, it only worked when there was less demand and more tickers available.
If points went on a rolling system it would still end up a closed shop with those at the top only able to buy and knowing they have to buy. Even if points were reset it becomes fastest finger first and a closed shop thereafter for those initially successful.
I would detest a ballot, restricting aways in the PL say 10 may be a bit better, but I doubt any slack would trickle down, just get snaffled up for club partners, staff and new hospitality areas.
Where has anyone said they are happy with this?I take it people are happy with corporate members getting an away ticket just because they are in a position to afford a corporate package?
And if they don't use that away ticket, which many of them probably don't do, where do you think those away tickets end up? Either given away to somebody they know who wants to go to an away game, but has little it no loyalty points, or sold on to a resell ticket website.
I’m sure we are skimming off some to agencies too or someone with an allocation is. You can get tickets online in our end at Burnley for the bargain price of £180!Our club has 260 members and only gets 4 or six tickets, they are all going to hospitality or players family and friends
Where has anyone said they are happy with this?
Its mentioned constantly - generally in whataboutery posts when someone questions the osc allocations. It been mentioned numerous times in this thread alone.I'm just asking the question as it's not often mentioned or discussed.
A breakdown of where the away tickets go per-away game would be good to know. But we all know the club will never release that information, even though they've been asked to do that by the City Matters Reps. I wonder if Kevin Parker and the OSC have ever asked the club to do that?
Its mentioned constantly - generally in whataboutery posts when someone questions the osc allocations. It been mentioned numerous times in this thread alone.
Nobody is happy with the corporate allowance, but the corporates.
The whole ticket allocation process needs redoing with the corporates allocation halving and the rest done on prior attendance over a much shorter rolling period, which gives those who are happy to do the less glamouros games more chance of catching up for the big games.
Your osc is commendable if everyone going to Burnley has 23500+ points, from my own previous experience of a couple of the bigger osc's, and many posts on here it's in a minority.That's fair enough. As I'm in and out of this thread I don't catch every post. What I do see quite often is the constant complaints about OSC members getting away tickets they aren't entitled to.
I'm in a branch. When I go to away games it's the same faces on the coach.
New and existing members are told away tickets aren't guaranteed, and members have to have sufficient loyalty points to qualify for an away ticket.
We have been told the amount OSC branches and OSC membership has exploded since last season.
Our branch got 16 away tickets for Burnley. Away tickets are getting harder to get.
Your osc is commendable if everyone going to Burnley has 23500+ points, from my own previous experience of a couple of the bigger osc's, and many posts on here it's in a minority.
If it was the case that all osc tickets went to 23500 points there would be no need for an osc allocation.
The first 2 games where that system has been in the community shield and Burnley ive only received my email for payment off city when the game has been sold out. So I wonder myself where the tickets that aren’t paid for are going because it doesn’t seem to be going in to the loyalty point potOn the flip side. I not complaining. Just an observation. I have seen plenty of young City fans in away ends. Where are they getting away tickets from?
The whole system of away tickets is fucked up. The club is playing a majority part of that fuck up. OSC's and City fans in general only benefit from away tickets because of the club and how it runs the away ticket allocation.
If the club really wanted to sort away tickets out and make it as fair as possible to get an away ticket, they could do, but they don't want to do that. There's too much money and vested interests involved.
We've now gone from OSC's taking names for away tickets, handing out away tickets, and collecting money for away tickets, to the branches taking names for away tickets, the club confirming you have got an away ticket, and paying the club for an away ticket within 48 hours, otherwise you lose the away ticket, and (I'm assuming) the away ticket goes back to the club to be sold to who?
Probably the 18-25, osc's or junior pull through.On the flip side. I not complaining. Just an observation. I have seen plenty of young City fans in away ends. Where are they getting away tickets from?
The whole system of away tickets is fucked up. The club is playing a majority part of that fuck up. OSC's and City fans in general only benefit from away tickets because of the club and how it runs the away ticket allocation.
If the club really wanted to sort away tickets out and make it as fair as possible to get an away ticket, they could do, but they don't want to do that. There's too much money and vested interests involved.
We've now gone from OSC's taking names for away tickets, handing out away tickets, and collecting money for away tickets, to the branches taking names for away tickets, the club confirming you have got an away ticket, and paying the club for an away ticket within 48 hours, otherwise you lose the away ticket, and (I'm assuming) the away ticket goes back to the club to be sold to who?
I think us old cunts over 50 should be last on the list the youngsters make the atmosphere and should be given priority there our future,
The majority of foc’s just moan like fuck you couldn’t get them excited if you gave them Beyoncé naked sat on there knee
One Superbia member could request a load of tickets, it was never in the sales pitch, and they had to be Season Ticket holders.Probably the 18-25, osc's or junior pull through.
Must be so tough to only have 48 hours to pay for the ticket - i get 20 minutes.
As you say the club have no interest in sorting away tickets out as it doesnt increase their margin.