Cashless society

Johnny Mars Bar said:
Future heist movies featuring retired bank robbers coming back for “one last job” struggling to get into bank vaults as they can’t figure out how RFID keyless entry on Apple Wallet works.
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When you think about it, bank employees will feel much safer, no more of these nice people barging in..

This is a real robbery in Philadelphia, poor bank teller must've been traumatised for a long time.

Maybe it was @Blue Mist wanting more cash for his collection :)

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Blue Mist said:
No. The government, if they want to, know exactly who you vote for. In so called normal seats they ain't arsed.
As soon as a constituency fields a Communist or National Front member you can bet that the Special Branch/Anti Terrorist squad are all over the so called secret ballots.
If they do that with voting, a cash less society is an open field day for them.

If you still doubt me, why does a secret ballot card have a unique number on it?
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Rather than risk a scandal if it was ever leaked that they’d been checking up on who voted for who, it would probably be a lot easier and just as effective to have a quick glance at any person of interest’s Twitter or Facebook and they’d get the answer in the vast majority of cases, in a few seconds.
 
Stephen230 said:
Rather than risk a scandal if it was ever leaked that they’d been checking up on who voted for who, it would probably be a lot easier and just as effective to have a quick glance at any person of interest’s Twitter or Facebook and they’d get the answer in the vast majority of cases, in a few seconds.
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You are missing the point.
Entirely.
We are told by the government that when you cast your vote it is anonymous. It isn't.
Of course they can read you face book twitter or whatever page, I'm sure they do. They can also listen to your phone calls but that isn't the point I was making.
 
“There should be a law against this” shouted some middle aged Scouse tart in Asda as she tried to pay cash on a card only till this afternoon.
 
MCFC Wirral said:
“There should be a law against this” shouted some middle aged Scouse tart in Asda as she tried to pay cash on a card only till this afternoon.
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Profits from crime have to be laundered as anonymously as possible, how dare Asda interfere with that process…
 
People wanting a completely cashless society be like...

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mexico1970 said:
People wanting a completely cashless society be like...

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… I was more making fun of
1. Scouse
2. People overreacting and complaining loudly about ‘laws’ when they simply could have gone to the cash & card tills.

But in reference to ‘completely cashless society’, if anything stopped the cashless system now, I think the population would have bigger issues than access to cash to think about - food, water, energy

Regarding complaints about the ‘control’ that is potentially over people using cashless systems, ie self security & privacy of spending, then yes it’s something very important, but people give up their security and privacy in so many other ways (freely or with no alternative), that opposition to just being cashless is … not hypocritical… but a little targeted against just one aspect of the overarching control exerted on ordinary peoples lives with little or no overall pushback
 
JASR said:
… I was more making fun of
1. Scouse
2. People overreacting and complaining loudly about ‘laws’ when they simply could have gone to the cash & card tills.

But in reference to ‘completely cashless society’, if anything stopped the cashless system now, I think the population would have bigger issues than access to cash to think about - food, water, energy

Regarding complaints about the ‘control’ that is potentially over people using cashless systems, ie self security & privacy of spending, then yes it’s something very important, but people give up their security and privacy in so many other ways (freely or with no alternative), that opposition to just being cashless is … not hypocritical… but a little targeted against just one aspect of the overarching control exerted on ordinary peoples lives with little or no overall pushback
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We need cash not only because not all people want a bank account or can even get one but even if they did don't possess the means to physically keep hold of one namely homeless people and people outside of the system like modern slaves etc.

IMHO the plastic wavers need to think a little before they start demanding less options for less fortunate people.
 
mexico1970 said:
We need cash not only because not all people want a bank account or can even get one but even if they did don't possess the means to physically keep hold of one namely homeless people and people outside of the system like modern slaves etc.

IMHO the plastic wavers need to think a little before they start demanding less options for less fortunate people.
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indeed.
If you can't get a bank account (and a card) without a permament address, how can any homeless person progress from their unenviable position, without using cash. It's a classic catch-22.

The slow progression to a cashless society started with cIOU's and cheques, progressing in the computer age to setting up of standing orders and DD's, paying for something is the next
 
JASR said:
indeed.
If you can't get a bank account (and a card) without a permament address, how can any homeless person progress from their unenviable position, without using cash. It's a classic catch-22.

The slow progression to a cashless society started with cIOU's and cheques, progressing in the computer age to setting up of standing orders and DD's, paying for something is the next
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Yup, poor people also put off Peter to pay Paul can you imagine not having that flexibility to put off paying one bill to pay either a more important one or one that's needed?

As soon as your money gets paid in then it gets taken straight out.

Now put the entire world on the same system and you genuinely have a dystopian nightmare complete.
 
JASR said:
Profits from crime have to be laundered as anonymously as possible, how dare Asda interfere with that process…
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It’s hardly as if she was on camera. One word search magazine is the crime proceeds of some major player in the field.
 
MCFC Wirral said:
It’s hardly as if she was on camera. One word search magazine is the crime proceeds of some major player in the field.
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I think I clarified in a reply to mexico

… and if they were buying a word search , ie non essential, I’d say they are being a tad melodramatic saying there should be ‘laws’ given they could have shuffled to the cash&card machines.
 
mexico1970 said:
Yup, poor people also put off Peter to pay Paul can you imagine not having that flexibility to put off paying one bill to pay either a more important one or one that's needed?

As soon as your money gets paid in then it gets taken straight out.

Now put the entire world on the same system and you genuinely have a dystopian nightmare complete.
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Not sure that those who want to rush into a cashless society care about such things tbh.
 
There’s about twelve self service basket tills with half card and half accepting both. Every self service trolley till accepts both and every cashier till accepts both.

The lady made a mistake. The lady raised her voice. The lady took it out on an employee. The lady chatted shit saying it should be illegal.
 
Blue Mist said:
You are missing the point.
Entirely.
We are told by the government that when you cast your vote it is anonymous. It isn't.
Of course they can read you face book twitter or whatever page, I'm sure they do. They can also listen to your phone calls but that isn't the point I was making.
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I understand your point completely. I just don’t think it’s a particularly good one. No one is doubting the security forces could if they wished trace a vote. But it would be illegal and I doubt the reward would be worth the risk to them, just to confirm something they could almost certainly correctly guess at in the vast majority of cases.

Also, if voting took place on a completely untraceable piece of paper, it would greatly increase the opportunity for fraud amongst anybody who came in to contact with it before and up to the result being announced.
 
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