Lucas Paqueta investigated by FA for alleged betting breaches

wolviedinho said:
City wouldn’t be entertaining a bid of over £85m for Paqueta if Gundo had extended his stay. So it leaves us in a tricky situation. The squad depth was already thin before mahrez and Gundo left. Phillips so far has not worked out and pep seems reluctant to play Grealish or Foden as the 10.

So where does that leave us? Knocking at West Ham’s door for a player who is not world class and struggled to adopt to English football but has the potential to be that player. The fee will be huge due to inflation and our seemingly limited options.

50/50 opinions on this deal. Ultimately, the club is in an awkward position due to the above reasons. So although I don’t like the fee, I can see why City have decided to pay it.

As long as we go back to our normally approach after this summer then I am fine with us making an exception to pay a premium fee on this occasion. Throw in KDB problems and Paqueta becomes a necessity.
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Don't think the fee has anything to do with Gundogan. Just an expensive player because he is the best player left at WH, who already lost their previous best player this summer.

Saudi Arabia really has made the fees had to judge.
 
Dax777 said:
I'm not a fan of this type of opinion. Of course everyone realizes that our front office does a fantastic job overall. But that knowledge doesn't change the fact that they could do better or worse in individual instances.

So while acknowledging the front office does a super job, one can at the same time worry about individual specific choices.

For example we almost spent 80 million on Kane, the summer before we got Haaland for 51. I'm sure Kane would have been a decent choice. But many ( myself included) didn't want that choice because we wanted the opportunity at Haaland. Which I believe ( and most would probably agree was the better choice).

Dias instead of Koulibally is another example. Thank God Napoli were dicks. Rodri over Fred was another. Thank God for United.

Granted had we gotten these players there is no guarantee theyd have been as bad as where they went. Perhaps Pep could sprinkle some magic dust on them.

But the point still remains, discussing the value or fit of potential in coming players is worth having. I mean, it's practically what this forum is for :)
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Hindsight does apply to those deals though.

Had we not won the league in the season without Kane, would it have still been the right call? Of course both answers could be still right.

Dias was never available until Benfica were surprisingly knocked out of the CL qualifiers late in the window. Should that not have happened, who knows who we might have bought? ADL would never have sold us Koulibaly at that stage.

Naturally fans will debate whether a signing feels right to them or not. Our board have earned some leeway from us even if they occasionally sign someone that doesn’t work. 95% seem to though.
 
Dax777 said:
I'm not a fan of this type of opinion. Of course everyone realizes that our front office does a fantastic job overall. But that knowledge doesn't change the fact that they could do better or worse in individual instances.

So while acknowledging the front office does a super job, one can at the same time worry about individual specific choices.

For example we almost spent 80 million on Kane, the summer before we got Haaland for 51. I'm sure Kane would have been a decent choice. But many ( myself included) didn't want that choice because we wanted the opportunity at Haaland. Which I believe ( and most would probably agree was the better choice).

Dias instead of Koulibally is another example. Thank God Napoli were dicks. Rodri over Fred was another. Thank God for United.

Granted had we gotten these players there is no guarantee theyd have been as bad as where they went. Perhaps Pep could sprinkle some magic dust on them.

But the point still remains, discussing the value or fit of potential in coming players is worth having. I mean, it's practically what this forum is for :)
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Hey, those who choose to worry can go about worrying. Knock themselves out. But when you try to convince those of a different mindset that they should be worrying too and that the club is panicking you will be met with some strong resistance. Especially when the worry relates to a club as successful as ours...
 
domalino said:
Ah well obviously you’ve got some superb inside info that the club hasn’t bothered scouting Paqueta and think he’s got no potential, because otherwise you’re just spouting more absolute nonsense.
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You’ve clearly cut off a key part of my previous comment to lose context and suit your own agenda.

I responded to a comment made my @Plain Speaking in reference to Brightons scouting, buy saying that the lions share of our transfer business has been to invest in younger players, well scouted, who have the potential to step up to much higher levels.

I’ve never once even suggested that we haven’t scouted Paqueta
 
yeah whatever !! said:
We're not in the position to try to find gems, we're in the position to try to win a record 5th consecutive title and defend the CL Trophy FA cup and try for the Quadruple..

We found a gem in Alvarez and have gems coming through ie Palmer and Rico....
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Finding gems and competing for trophies are not mutually exclusive, I agree about Alvarez and Palmer...
 
wolviedinho said:
No need to be a twat. We can all have different view points on the transfer. Instead of attacking posters maybe use constructive arguments as to why you do or do not agree? Otherwise don’t comment as you add nothing to the discussion.
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wolviedinho said:
No need to be a twat. We can all have different view points on the transfer. Instead of attacking posters maybe use constructive arguments as to why you do or do not agree? Otherwise don’t comment as you add nothing to the discussion.
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Do you read what you post? I just thought some of what you were saying was literally comical. Don't you think "attacking" is a bit strong to describe my post? Try to relax a little...
 
Vester said:
Here's Paquetas numbers compared to central midfielders, seems a bit more fair to compare his numbers to other central midfielders (not wingers) since thats the position he's been playing the last 365 days.
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If you look at the categories they are "attacking midfielder/winger" and "midfielder". According to transfermarkt Paqueta's main position played last season was attacking midfielder 17 games, central midfielder 10 games, defensive midfielder 1 game. I should maybe have put his stats for both attacking midfielder and midfielder, because both are relevant ;-)
 

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Can see us and other clubs to start signing a lot more talent from Argentina and Brazil. The value we got with Alvarez for the price we paid was incredible. Same with Gabriel Jesus.
 
Plain Speaking said:
As explained in my other post, he played most games as attacking midfielder and that is the category posted
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yeah not a fan of that split on fbref, seems weird to me.

the straight numbers look good though. passes (switches, through balls, progessive), tackles, interceptions, goals per 90 put him in the silva/gundo mix brackets.
 
Attitude wise ive never heard any issues coming out of the club during his time there (I’m no ITK by the way!) But if his attitude stank it would have come out. By all accounts he had a good game on Saturday, put himself about and didn’t shirk a challenge. could easily have said he’s not right to play (although I’ve a feeling that sort of attitude wouldn’t have played well with Pep!)

The guy can play, once he’d settled in he was our best player by a mile. Technically excellent, plenty of tricks and flicks and can play a through ball, but add to that he is hard working and can put in a challenge. Can play anywhere in the centre of midfield. You’re getting a good player.

Think Moyes and West Ham understand if Pep comes calling it’s difficult to say no, so good luck to the lad hope he does well.

If we do get Palmer in the deal what’s he like? Only know him from the cracker he scored last week when Arsenal won the Champions League (according to their deluded fans!!)
 
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