Chelsea Thread - 2023/24

[bluethrunthru]

quite brilliant

 

[mac]

Well that’s like saying Palmer or Lewis are bang average. Well they’re a young players with potential. Saying they’re average right now is pointless when clearly the idea is that Pep will help develop them and very soon, with Pep’s coaching, they’ll be a very good players.

Not really the same though is it. They are our players we didn't spend huge amounts on them. They are use to the English game and were already playing in our first team.
Your wanker of an owner is just playing Russian roulette

 

[Vialli98]

Not really the same though is it. They are our players we didn't spend huge amounts on them. They are use to the English game and were already playing in our first team.
Your wanker of an owner is just playing Russian roulette

Well the principle is the same. Someone who is a young player with potential now, might not yet be better than an average PL player but the potential is there. Regardless of whether they were academy produced or signed for £30mill. Calling them average is pointless when clearly the idea they were signed for their potential more than what they bring to the table right now. But anyway. I think my point was clear.

 

[Vialli98]

personally didnt see a lot wrong with chelsea that a little bit of time and confidence would make, they have the makings of a very good squad when they get used to playing a certain style and get to know each others strengths and weaknesses , thought the first half they dominated, a lack of spirit saw them drop a level after the penalty miss,but spirit will come when they all get to know each other and the manager, thought raheem looked excellent yesterday.

i think what chelsea need to do is take a breathe for a window or two, let things settle down, let the players build relationships with each other, i can see them getting stronger over the season, and being a danger next season.

I actually totally agree. I’ve been wanting them to calm down with the signings since last January. Hopefully now that we have stacked the team with young talent and hired a coach who’s well known for developing young talent, I hope they calm down and relax and let the squad develop together.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Think we have to wait till poch has had at least 10 games

Let’s hope Boehly does.

 

[ninjamonkey]

The amount of money spent seems to cloud the views of many who ignore the fact they've pretty much got a brand new squad and manager that will require time to adapt. would have been a miracle had they clicked straight away.

From what I've seen of them so far, they're doing better than I had them down to be at this stage. Poch is a decent manager and their squad is good, they'll be a force in the future. I wouldn't rule out top 5 for them this season. Depends on 2 things, How quickly they gel and how shit the rest of the sides are. Those 2 things in combination could see them finish anywhere from 2nd-10th.

On potential, I'd stick them up there with arsenal as our most likely long term challengers, above united, dippers newcastle spurs and Brighton.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

@Vialli98 do you think you have enough creativity in midfield? I didn't see much against West Ham when they were down to 10 yesterday for the last 20 mins or so. I think you created one clear chance.

 

[jimharri]

Too lazy to check it (the perils of getting old!), but I just saw something on twitter, sorry, "x". Apparently, Chelsea have 5 wins in their last 31 matches. Is that true? @Vialli98?

 

[Vialli98]

@Vialli98 do you think you have enough creativity in midfield? I didn't see much against West Ham when they were down to 10 yesterday for the last 20 mins or so. I think you created one clear chance.

I think it depends on how we line up. Enzo and Chukwuemeka were fine in the first half, but it died when Mudryk came on for Chuku. I think Sterling, Jackson, Chuku and Enzo is enough creativity between as well as Chilwell and James when he’s fit. Nkunku when he comes back will add to that. Mudryk can be creative in his own way too.

You’re spot in that we completely folded yesterday when Antonio knocked that goal in against the run of play. it was disappointing to see the lack of urgency and movement against 10 men.

 

[Vialli98]

Too lazy to check it (the perils of getting old!), but I just saw something on twitter, sorry, "x". Apparently, Chelsea have 5 wins in their last 31 matches. Is that true? @Vialli98?

Probably yes. I haven’t checked but it sounds like it’s true lol

 

[jimharri]

Probably yes. I haven’t checked but it sounds like it’s true lol

If it is, that's wretched.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I think it depends on how we line up. Enzo and Chukwuemeka were fine in the first half, but it died when Mudryk came on for Chuku. I think Sterling, Jackson, Chuku and Enzo is enough creativity between as well as Chilwell and James when he’s fit. Nkunku when he comes back will add to that. Mudryk can be creative in his own way too.

You’re spot in that we completely folded yesterday when Antonio knocked that goal in against the run of play. it was disappointing to see the lack of urgency and movement against 10 men.

Thanks for the reply. Your last point is what I'm on about. Poch has to work on that , I'm sure he will.

 

[Vialli98]

If it is, that's wretched.

It is but it’s not surprising. I think you’ve just forgotten how genuinely wretched our form was last season. Lampard started his caretaker reign with like 0 wins in the first 7 or 8 games. We scored like 2 goals in 11 games or something crazy as that.

 

[Vialli98]

Thanks for the reply. Your last point is what I'm on about. Poch has to work on that , I'm sure he will.

He 100% has to work on that. To be fair, Liverpool at home and West Ham was a tough opening for us. We have a decent run of games now, starting with Luton at home. Hopefully we can go on a run now.

 

[jimharri]

It is but it’s not surprising. I think you’ve just forgotten how genuinely wretched our form was last season. Lampard started his caretaker reign with like 0 wins in the first 7 or 8 games. We scored like 2 goals in 11 games or something crazy as that.

It sounds ludicrous. But if you'd delayed the Potter sacking by, say, three or four games, you could have been in serious trouble.

 

[Vialli98]

It sounds ludicrous. But if you'd delayed the Potter sacking by, say, three or four games, you could have been in serious trouble.

I actually disagree. I do think Potter’s postition became untenable but Lampard added nothing to the group apart from being a different voice saying the same thing. In hindsight I would have kept Potter until the summer, but I’ve seen others say Chelsea wouldn’t have been able to conduct the interview process with him still in charge. It would have been classless and disrespectful. With a caretaker, you can do what you want. But yeah, last season was a proper hard to believe it happened sort of season.

 

[ASHCFC]

is bringing two clubs from being absolutely appalling to mediocre doing well, pochettino is one of those emperors new clothes kind of managers in that he is consistently linked with every top job and nobody quite knows why

I'm happy with Poch. I believe that it's his coaching that encouraged Raz to get back to what he does best on Sunday, ie taking players on.

It's easy to take a pop at managers who've actually done a superb job at clubs like Southampton and Spurs where the chequebook isn't always on hand.

Pep is the world's best manager by most people's estimation, including mine, but he's achieved that based upon jobs at Barca, Bayern, and now City. He's never been in the trenches.

Would be interesting to see how he'd do without unlimited cash to spend and/or the gravitas/pull of a giant club, but I don't suppose that will ever happen.

 

[Inter Me Nan]

I'm happy with Poch. I believe that it's his coaching that encouraged Raz to get back to what he does best on Sunday, ie taking players on.

It's easy to take a pop at managers who've actually done a superb job at clubs like Southampton and Spurs where the chequebook isn't always on hand.

Pep is the world's best manager by most people's estimation, including mine, but he's achieved that based upon jobs at Barca, Bayern, and now City. He's never been in the trenches.

Would be interesting to see how he'd do without unlimited cash to spend, but I don't suppose that will ever happen.

The wolf does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep.

 

[mrbelfry]

I'm happy with Poch. I believe that it's his coaching that encouraged Raz to get back to what he does best on Sunday, ie taking players on.

It's easy to take a pop at managers who've actually done a superb job at clubs like Southampton and Spurs where the chequebook isn't always on hand.

Pep is the world's best manager by most people's estimation, including mine, but he's achieved that based upon jobs at Barca, Bayern, and now City. He's never been in the trenches.

Would be interesting to see how he'd do without unlimited cash to spend and/or the gravitas/pull of a giant club, but I don't suppose that will ever happen.

Typical Pep bingo nonsense that implies Pep is only good because he has the cards stacked in his favour. He's managed City for several years with Zinchenko and Delph playing left back, without a striker, with Nicolas Otamendi and he's done it breaking more records than I can care to mention.

He's the greatest coach in world football because he does the work, thinks innovatively and coaches players to improve. Look at what he got out of Raheem Sterling and compare Foden to Mount as two examples.

There isn't a single player in the City squad that was not attainable by any other team in the league yet it has outperformed ALL the big powerhouse premier league teams who have spent more. He's also out performed every previous elite Premier League team in terms of points acquired. But because he's never been in a relegation battle with Everton there should be questions asked or caveats applied to his achievements? Nonsense of the highest order.

Yeah Messi is the goat but it would be interesting to see how he'd play in goals. He's also never fought in World War One so probably on balance Ricky Lambert is better because he never played for Barcelona or was coached by Pep

 

[Inter Me Nan]

Typical Pep bingo nonsense that implies Pep is only good because he has the cards stacked in his favour. He's managed City for several years with Zinchenko and Delph playing left back, without a striker, with Nicolas Otamendi and he's done it breaking more records than I can care to mention.

He's the greatest coach in world football because he does the work, thinks innovatively and coaches players to improve. Look at what he got out of Raheem Sterling and compare Foden to Mount as two examples.

There isn't a single player in the City squad that was not attainable by any other team in the league yet it has outperformed ALL the big powerhouse premier league teams who have spent more. He's also out performed every previous elite Premier League team in terms of points acquired. But because he's never been in a relegation battle with Everton there should be questions asked or caveats applied to his achievements? Nonsense of the highest order.

Yeah Messi is the goat but it would be interesting to see how he'd play in goals. He's also never fought in World War One so probably on balance Ricky Lambert is better because he never played for Barcelona or was coached by Pep

Top post mate.