United Thread - 2023/24

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halfcenturyup said:
This is obviously true but is irrelevant to the point that United have had two (three?) potentially game-winning decisions go their way in two home games: one leading to an apology, and the others leading to the other team to consider an official complaint. Or is that a biased view?
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The annoying thing is though you can sit watching a rag game and predict what is coming up next, dodgy penalties and kicking fuck out of the opposition with impunity and any contentious offsides will only go one way. Strange isn’t it?
 
hilts said:
How was that not offside? Err coz it wasn't

Rashford there was no contact! Err there was

Pmsl at some of the see what you want to see loons on here.

Anyhow for the sane the penalty was soft but are given regularly because refs find it impossible to determine what is sufficient contact. The rags have more points than what there performances deserve, they are very average so far this season.
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"See what you want to see loons"? That's a bit disrespectful. People are asking "How is that not offside?" That's a reasonable question to ask, given that the person who scored is clearly in an offside position when a United player plays the ball forward - see images.

Instead of answering "Err coz it wasn't", please explain why, under the current Laws of the Game, it wasn't given as offside.
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@hilts I take your posts on board. Yes we as City fans go OTT about decisions in the rags favour, that is when I look to see what pundits and journalists say. Martin Keown called it a dive, whilst the match was still being played and on the BBC, others also said it was a dive.
The simple fact is they get decisions like that whilst other teams don't.
 
Paladin said:
"See what you want to see loons"? That's a bit disrespectful. People are asking "How is that not offside?" That's a reasonable question to ask, given that the person who scored is clearly in an offside position when a United player plays the ball forward - see images.

Instead of answering "Err coz it wasn't", please explain why, under the current Laws of the Game, it wasn't given as offside.
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It’s quite simple.

Casemiro is not active when the ball is clipped to Fernandes.

When he becomes active, he is behind the ball.

This isn’t my opinion; this is the laws of the game.
 
Paladin said:
"See what you want to see loons"? That's a bit disrespectful. People are asking "How is that not offside?" That's a reasonable question to ask, given that the person who scored is clearly in an offside position when a United player plays the ball forward - see images.

Instead of answering "Err coz it wasn't", please explain why, under the current Laws of the Game, it wasn't given as offside.
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I thought it offside at first though not from the phase of play you've highlighted. As the player your referring to was not the intended recipient of the pass and Fernandez (onside) was I think thats ok.. However I did think Casemiro might have been when Fernandez headed it back.... but maybe not.

The red card was a joke. There is no way whoever was pulled back was going to win that ball which was running away from him and quickly, plus there was a defender covering.... same shit, different day.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s quite simple.

Casemiro is not active when the ball is clipped to Fernandes.

When he becomes active, he is behind the ball.

This isn’t my opinion; this is the laws of the game.
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as brian clough said , if you arent active you shouldnt be on the pitch, also have you seen casemiro run, if hes in an onside position when that ball is played he never gets anywhere near that ball so arguably he gains an advantage by being there.
 
Regarding the red card,which the rat exaggerated and threw himself to the ground for......why did he receive such when he wasn't the last man? is it the interpretation that it was a clear goal scoring opportunity?
 
mancboy said:
as brian clough said , if you arent active you shouldnt be on the pitch, also have you seen casemiro run, if hes in an onside position when that ball is played he never gets anywhere near that ball so arguably he gains an advantage by being there.
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It’d have been offside in Clough’s heyday. Not now. The law changed years ago,
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s quite simple.

Casemiro is not active when the ball is clipped to Fernandes.

When he becomes active, he is behind the ball.

This isn’t my opinion; this is the laws of the game.
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My question is, where does this appear in the Laws of the Game? I'm not being awkward here, and I have checked up myself. This is what I can find regarding becoming involved in active play.

My interpretation is that Casemiro was in an offside position, but not actually offside, when Rashford played the ball forward. He then played the ball that was passed to him deliberately by his team-mate. At this point, under the laws shown here, he should have been penalised for being offside.

Where is the clause that negates this view, and if such a clause exists, please tell me a set of circumstances in which this particular rule could apply.
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Paladin said:
My question is, where does this appear in the Laws of the Game? I'm not being awkward here, and I have checked up myself. This is what I can find regarding becoming involved in active play.

My interpretation is that Casemiro was in an offside position, but not actually offside, when Rashford played the ball forward. He then played the ball that was passed to him deliberately by his team-mate. At this point, under the laws shown here, he should have been penalised for being offside.

Where is the clause that negates this view, and if such a clause exists, please tell me a set of circumstances in which this particular rule could apply.
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Which bit of that law suggests Casemiro was offside?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s quite simple.

Casemiro is not active when the ball is clipped to Fernandes.

When he becomes active, he is behind the ball.

This isn’t my opinion; this is the laws of the game.
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Well explained, I think that’s what he was asking.

Barca were the masters of this with Messi stood deliberately offside (legally) & become active in the next phase.

I still don’t know how the offside rule came to make this ok & yet someone’s shoulder ahead by an inch being offside. Give me the old version with a centre half holding his arm up ;)
 
Paladin said:
My question is, where does this appear in the Laws of the Game? I'm not being awkward here, and I have checked up myself. This is what I can find regarding becoming involved in active play.

My interpretation is that Casemiro was in an offside position, but not actually offside, when Rashford played the ball forward. He then played the ball that was passed to him deliberately by his team-mate. At this point, under the laws shown here, he should have been penalised for being offside.

Where is the clause that negates this view, and if such a clause exists, please tell me a set of circumstances in which this particular rule could apply.
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I think it’s the asterisk
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
If you post that in the VAR thread, not only will you get piled on by everyone, you’ll be reminded of your post every time anything can be perceived to be helping teams in red shirts.

It’s social media in a nutshell. People love to get riled up together over a common issue.
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When Forest, or Fulham, or Wolves, or fucking Man City get those decisions against the red tops, then we can negotiate. Until then I will use the evidence of my own eyes in regard to their preferential treatment by shit scared refs.
 
cheekybids said:
Well explained, I think that’s what he was asking.

Barca were the masters of this with Messi stood deliberately offside (legally) & become active in the next phase.

I still don’t know how the offside rule came to make this ok & yet someone’s shoulder ahead by an inch being offside. Give me the old version with a centre half holding his arm up ;)
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Yeah, Pep teams’ cutback goals would all be disallowed. We’d be in the Conference League!
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Yeah, Pep teams’ cutback goals would all be disallowed. We’d be in the Conference League!
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We wouldn’t play that way just as Pep wouldn’t have had Messi stood in no man’s land. I’m not querying the offside I’m explaining it & you play to the rules.

It’s player like Huckerby I feel sorry for, he’d never be offside now & worth a fortune.
 
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