Kalvin Phillips

I think we are stuck with him.
There’s no way he can be made to go on loan.
The only way to persuade him to do so would have been to sign another midfielder and leave Kalvin out of the match day squad all together for the first few games of the season but we’ve missed that boat.
It would be harsh but I think he would definitely get the message.
I do however seem to recall a Dutch central defender refusing to leave Chelsea and happy to rot in the reserves for 2-3 years about 10 yrs ago on big money…can’t remember his name. And of course there was that **** Danny Mills..I think Kalvin would value his international career a bit more than that.
 
Burtonblue said:
I think we are stuck with him.
There’s no way he can be made to go on loan.
The only way to persuade him to do so would have been to sign another midfielder and leave Kalvin out of the match day squad all together for the first few games of the season but we’ve missed that boat.
It would be harsh but I think he would definitely get the message.
I do however seem to recall a Dutch central defender refusing to leave Chelsea and happy to rot in the reserves for 2-3 years about 10 yrs ago on big money…can’t remember his name. And of course there was that **** Danny Mills..I think Kalvin would value his international career a bit more than that.
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Winston Bogarde
 
Rammy Blue said:
Assuming we get Nunes then I think Kalvin will be gone by the end of the week, even if it’s out on loan somewhere to get regular football.
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That would be the normal or typical thing to expect, and I’d agree with you, but the longer it goes on, the less normal the situation becomes.

Realistically the first game where he has a genuine chance of starting is Carabao Cup game at the end of September, and I wouldn’t even be certain about him getting the nod then if we sign Nunes.

If an international footballer is happy to sit around for that sort of prospect then something really isn’t right.
 
Kalvin finds himself in the same situation for England.
Rice, Bellingham for starters, there are more names.
I'd say his int'l career is realistically more or less over looking at his minutes post EURO in 2021.

A club that want to part with a player that somehow doesn't meat expectations is telling him he won't get minutes anymore.

Normally the player would want to play football and look for a club where his chances are more realistic. Zinny finally got it, Kalvin maybe needs more time to swallow that bitter pill.
I hope for him and us he doesn't fight for his bench seat til contract end 2028...
 
St.Pauli support said:
Kalvin finds himself in the same situation for England.
Rice, Bellingham for starters, there are more names.
I'd say his int'l career is realistically more or less over looking at his minutes post EURO in 2021.

A club that want to part with a player that somehow doesn't meat expectations is telling him he won't get minutes anymore.

Normally the player would want to play football and look for a club where his chances are more realistic. Zinny finally got it, Kalvin maybe needs more time to swallow that bitter pill.
I hope for him and us he doesn't fight for his bench seat til contract end 2028...
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You would hope there were some honest conversations at the start of the summer and he knew we were planning on bringing in at least 1 midfielder maybe 2. Knowing how the club is run I expect he has known that and what his chances are for playing and that he can leave if he wants. The decision is his.
 
If Nunes signs, then we have around 22 first-team players (with de Bruyne out 21) vying for 20 League spots. Assuming Lewis is too young to be loaned out, then it boils down to McAtee, Palmer, and/or Phillips leaving. It’s frustrating but we also have to be mindful of the wider effect on other youngsters who are inspired by Lewis and push themselves to break through into the first-team squad.
 
Gabriel said:
If Nunes signs, then we have around 22 first-team players (with de Bruyne out 21) vying for 20 League spots. Assuming Lewis is too young to be loaned out, then it boils down to McAtee, Palmer, and/or Phillips leaving. It’s frustrating but we also have to be mindful of the wider effect on other youngsters who are inspired by Lewis and push themselves to break through into the first-team squad.
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There are 25 league spots?
 
Burtonblue said:
I think we are stuck with him.
There’s no way he can be made to go on loan.
The only way to persuade him to do so would have been to sign another midfielder and leave Kalvin out of the match day squad all together for the first few games of the season but we’ve missed that boat.
It would be harsh but I think he would definitely get the message.
I do however seem to recall a Dutch central defender refusing to leave Chelsea and happy to rot in the reserves for 2-3 years about 10 yrs ago on big money…can’t remember his name. And of course there was that **** Danny Mills..I think Kalvin would value his international career a bit more than that.
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Can't 'loan deals' still be done after the transfer window closes?
 
Gingers Dad said:
Yes he is backing himself and he won't be taking a pay cut if he moves on. Money is definitely not the motivation. Personally don't see him making it at City but hope I'm wrong and I applaud him for trying.
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Is it that, or is it that he’s at a top team, hoovering up medals, whilst being close to his family, which seems to be more important to him than playing every week?
 
citizen_maine said:
rotation/injuries mean no-one has to leave though
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As if you never heard Pep say he prefers a small squad. You should listen to him more.

Just a reminder, City played the 2nd part of last season with 21 players (plus Carson, Bobb and Charles filling the bench) and won a Treble,
and the season before it was 19 (plus a few kids playing few minutes), won the PL too after a shitload of injuries.
 
citizen_maine said:
rotation/injuries mean no-one has to leave though
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We very rarely rotate to the extent that someone is excused a League game, and professionals at the first-team level should not be planning their careers on the basis of others’ injuries, especially when the medical team and facilities are so good. I agree, though, that they don’t have to move.
 
BufordUSABlue said:
Can't 'loan deals' still be done after the transfer window closes?
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I think it can only happen in exceptional circumstances ie if all your keepers are out with injury the PL will allow you to have another keeper on loan.
Can’t see how it would apply to midfielders…
 
I hope things change for him this season. So far, however, this transfer is up there with the likes of Rodwell and Sinclair for bad buys.
 
argyle said:
I hope things change for him this season. So far, however, this transfer is up there with the likes of Rodwell and Sinclair for bad buys.
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How can winning the treble as a squad player be worse than Rodwell and Sinclair signings
Phillips got a bad injury, Well in fact we signed him having trouble with the shoulder and he popped it again, So we had to have it pinned and worked and got back into the World Cup squad and back up for Rodri and Gundogan
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
I can't figure this one out at all. He's clearly not a bad player, he's shown enough at Leeds and for England to suggest he can play quite a bit. I just think that if you can't get a game at Sheff United away then when will he? I'm not saying Rodri needs a rest, but he can't be expected to play every single game.

I hope Phillips steps up, but in all honesty I can't see him playing for City. There's more to it than meets the eye and it's more than just football. If he's not playing regularly by Christmas then he needs to go in January, full stop.
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If there is 'more to it', surely news would have already emerged in the form of rumours regarding attitude problems, dressing room unrest, indiscipline etc. Aside from the one issue concerning his fitness following the world cup, all we know is that he's fully committed to the club. Regardless, Pep doesn't appear to trust him. Perhaps it's attributable to nothing other than a consistent failure to impress in training in which case City need to accept we signed a dud and move the lad on for his sake and ours. Either way, it's baffling.
 
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