PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[halfcenturyup]

You're taking just one word out of a long sentence. You have to read it in it's entirety.

I have done. Still makes no sense to me, maybe because I am an accountant, not a lawyer. But to me, that one phrase "accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view" contradicts itself.

 

[give it to gordon]

Haven't seen evidence that ALL clubs in the Pl are under a similar scrutiny , which suggests that something is clearly not kosher in their approach.


But as a City supporter I am obviously paranoid :)

I find it hard to believe that every other club is as clean as a whistle. Yet the pl chose to investigate over the last 10 of just City. Bizarre isnt it

 

[cheekybids]

What due process is that?

We are accused of breaking the FFP in house rules of the Premier League, and as the League has its own investigative set up to deal with such things, they spent four years investigating City and what was their verdict?

The PL is charging City and we're setting up an "independent" something or other to investigate...Errrr?.. Again.

As soon as the Premier League did that, due process went out the window, that's why City is questioning the legitimacy of this kangaroo court and the suitability of a Gooner Witch Finder General to head it.

This ain't due process, it's make it up as you go along.

I’ve said it before & no one’s explained it to a thick fucker like me.

What are the steps of the process? Surely there could be a simple bullet point process. I’m lost between the charged ahead of the investigation???

 

[Centurions]

I’ve said it before & no one’s explained it to a thick fucker like me.

What are the steps of the process? Surely there could be a simple bullet point process. I’m lost between the charged ahead of the investigation???

We were charged after the investigation, not before. It's now been passed to the panel where we can submit our evidence and defence and they then consider everything.

 

[cheekybids]

You can bet that the first conversation with all these world leaders is Manchester City

Then it’s how can we help?

Plane crash
Poisoned in Salisbury
Parisian tunnel crash

 

[cheekybids]

We were charged after the investigation, not before. It's now been passed to the panel where we can submit our evidence and defence and they then consider everything.

So are the panel assessing the investigation first? Or are they waiting for our evidence?

Only surely it’s possible the investigation was flawed….

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I find it hard to believe that every other club is as clean as a whistle. Yet the pl chose to investigate over the last 10 of just City. Bizarre isnt it

No it's corrupt , but what the redshirt mardarses have pushed the PL into .

Pity they can't focus on getting their teams to play winning football instead of trying to remove the competition.

 

[oakiecokie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaldoon_Al_Mubarak

Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak[1] (Arabic: خلدون المبارك; born 1975)[2][3][4] is an Emirati Government official and business leader. Al Mubarak holds senior positions within the Government of Abu Dhabi, including as: a member of the Executive Council since 2006, a member of the Supreme Council for Financial and Economic Affairs, and as the founding chairman of the Executive Affairs Authority. He also fulfills responsibilities for the UAE Federal government and has served as Presidential Special Envoy to the People's Republic of China since 2018.

Al Mubarak is chief executive officer and managing director of Mubadala Investment Company. He is also chairman of Manchester City FC, Melbourne City FC and Mumbai City FC. Al Mubarak is on the board of the UAE business ADNOC and serves as the Chairman of the Boards of the Emirates Nuclear Energy Corporation, Abu Dhabi Commercial Bank and Emirates Global Aluminium.

Here he is visiting 10 Downing Street....

At City Academy with President Xi of China....

With Macron...

Obama....

Putin...

As CEO and Managing Director of the Mubadala Investment Company, Khaldoon manages assets of around 288 billion US Dollars. In 2022 alone Mubadala invested in excess of 29 billion Dollars worldwide.

I've a hunch that whatever Simon Jordan, Mark Goldbridge, RAWK, Daniel Levy and Julian on AFTV have to say about City, it probably doesn't give Khaldoon too many sleepless nights.

But what the fuck does Khaldoon know ?

 

[Winchester]

Simple Question
As this all confuses the shit of me
Are we are really now in deep trouble?
No sarcy or cryptic replies please

 

[Oldham Exile]

I had a flashback to Clubcall in the late 80s there. He basically spent eight minutes saying pretty much nothing.

Although my memory it very flaky - I think that was that the premium rate fans call in - when mobile phones were pretty new?

I remember being pissed (early 90s) and staying in the Britannia - called that when in bed - woke up about 6 hours later to hear it still going on!!!!

That call must have cost a fortune

 

[BeerIsTheBest]

We were charged after the investigation, not before. It's now been passed to the panel where we can submit our evidence and defence and they then consider everything.

Centurions

we are charged but my understanding is that the panel to consider the evidence is yet to be selected.

There’s nothing for a panel to do until our recent challenge against the legitimacy of any charges against us, on rule breaches where the rules were not in force at the time is resolved.

This has been imaginatively described by posters on here as the fairness in ‘retrospectively being done for driving 10mph over the speed limit at 40mph on a road years before the speed limit was changed to 30mph.’

My understanding also is (may be wrong) that any decision on our challenge on this retrospective use of charges by the FA could be appealed upwards.

This is why the process currently has no defined timeline and could take years.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Simple Question
As this all confuses the shit of me
Are we are really now in deep trouble?
No sarcy or cryptic replies please

No

 

[BeerIsTheBest]

Although my memory it very flaky - I think that was that the premium rate fans call in - when mobile phones were pretty new?

I remember being pissed (early 90s) and staying in the Britannia - called that when in bed - woke up about 6 hours later to hear it still going on!!!!

0891 121191 I recall. Blew some of my employers money on this crazy line. ’news coming ladies and gentleman on a signing that a bloke told me he had heard from a reliable source…. Stay on the line’

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

0891 121191 I recall. Blew some of my employers money on this crazy line. ’news coming ladies and gentleman on a signing that a bloke told me he had heard from a reliable source…. Stay on the line’

 

[halfcenturyup]

So are the panel assessing the investigation first? Or are they waiting for our evidence?

Only surely it’s possible the investigation was flawed….

The process, afaik, is investigation, then findings, then punishment if the findings are accepted. If they aren't accepted there is an "independent" panel to review evidence for and against and determine any applicable punishment. Then there is a right to appeal on certain issues to another "independent" panel with a final right of appeal on certain limited matters to a tribunal of three members, one chosen by each party and the third jointly chosen.

On the issue of why City and no-one else, it's the incriminating leaked emails, nothing else. Once UEFA opened an investigation, the PL had to as well.

All imho.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Although my memory it very flaky - I think that was that the premium rate fans call in - when mobile phones were pretty new?

I remember being pissed (early 90s) and staying in the Britannia - called that when in bed - woke up about 6 hours later to hear it still going on!!!!

Yes, used to ring it on mum and dad’s phone to listen to some bloke keep me hanging on the line about some exciting news coming at the end of the bulletin that never failed to disappoint. I kept falling for it though!

 

[Oldham Exile]

Yes, used to ring it on mum and dad’s phone to listen to some bloke keep me hanging on the line about some exciting news coming at the end of the bulletin that never failed to disappoint. I kept falling for it though!

Wasn't it something crazy like a £1 per min

Glad it was a company mobile - but for months I kept expecting to be 'called into the office"

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

Simple Question
As this all confuses the shit of me
Are we are really now in deep trouble?
No sarcy or cryptic replies please

No. We’d already be banned if they had anything on us.

 

[Norbert D]

Centurions

we are charged but my understanding is that the panel to consider the evidence is yet to be selected.

There’s nothing for a panel to do until our recent challenge against the legitimacy of any charges against us, on rule breaches where the rules were not in force at the time is resolved.

This has been imaginatively described by posters on here as the fairness in ‘retrospectively being done for driving 10mph over the speed limit at 40mph on a road years before the speed limit was changed to 30mph.’

My understanding also is (may be wrong) that any decision on our challenge on this retrospective use of charges by the FA could be appealed upwards.

This is why the process currently has no defined timeline and could take years.

This is exactly my understanding. I took the time to re read some of the articles relating to our charges and the legal appeal we lodged in May. I am no expert but our appeal seems to be based on the process itself and the make up of the independent panel. City are prepared to take their challenge on these issues all the way to the Supreme Court, this is before the panel is even chosen and starts reviewing the charges and our evidence . Originally it was quoted the extraordinary nature of the charges could take 2-4 years for a judgement to be reached, however, I think this can only start after City’s legal challenges have been dealt with. Hence are we looking at in advance of 2-4 years or even decades? Maybe the legal eagles can confirm.
I would suspect the club want to make this as lengthy and costly to the Premier League as possible, making it more likely the politics will change and the Premier League will reach a settlement that’s agreeable to City.

The way the Premier League screwed up the initial charges suggests they were spooked into action by the forthcoming government white paper on football and the red shirt bastards. I recall reading ahead of the charges that the Premier League was not geared up for such an investigation, well they made their choice and now they can face year upon year of mounting costs. meanwhile the 115 shit will lose all relevance, especially as the architects of our expected demise are up to their necks in shit themselves. Sit back and relax. In the words of the great George Harrison all things must pass.

 

[Centurions]

Centurions

we are charged but my understanding is that the panel to consider the evidence is yet to be selected.

There’s nothing for a panel to do until our recent challenge against the legitimacy of any charges against us, on rule breaches where the rules were not in force at the time is resolved.

This has been imaginatively described by posters on here as the fairness in ‘retrospectively being done for driving 10mph over the speed limit at 40mph on a road years before the speed limit was changed to 30mph.’

My understanding also is (may be wrong) that any decision on our challenge on this retrospective use of charges by the FA could be appealed upwards.

This is why the process currently has no defined timeline and could take years.

No one knows whether the panel has been selected or not as there is no requirement to report anything further until a conclusion (of whatever sort). I presume our challenge as to the legitimacy or not will be put to the panel. If they agree then they'll strike off anything not applicable. It's the PL by the way, not the FA.

When these first dropped I was convinced it would all be put to bed very quickly in our favour but I've changed my mind since and believe it will be 12 months if not years before it completes. I still believe it will be in our favour however.