VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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urban genie said:
It should be a tool to assist not to micro manage.

Offside was never designed to be scrutinised this in depth a tight decision, it was designed to stop a forward goal hanging unless a player is half a yard off or more it really shouldn't even be reviewed but left as an on field decision rightly or wrongly
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What if it’s half a yard minus an inch?
 
Gordyola said:
It refutes that VAR is only a problem in PL
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You choose a 3 division German league to prove your point?!!!!

NO, it has worked well in the champions league for 3 years, 2 Euro finals, 2 World cup finals, Ligue 1, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga and Eredivisie! It is our officials and the way they choose to operate it that is the problem!!
 
Ithryn Luin said:
You choose a 3 division German league to prove your point?!!!!

NO, it has worked well in the champions league for 3 years, 2 Euro finals, 2 World cup finals, Ligue 1, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga and Eredivisie! It is our officials and the way they choose to operate it that is the problem!!
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Unless you’re some kind of football freak, who does nothing but watch football, how on earth could you even know most of that?

Controversial decisions in Europe will get virtually zero press in England. I described a hugely controversial VAR fuck up in the Bundesliga earlier in this thread, that happened only last month, that got next to no publicity in this country.

Numerous people claiming how well it’s worked in the World Cup have short memories also. The ending of the France, Tunisia game was an absolute VAR shit show, almost on a par with the Liverpool farce last week. In fact, you could make a case it was worse. As they actually broke protocol.
 
Scaring Europe to Death said:
I think the vast majority of football fans were originally in favour of VAR, essentially because we believed that it would reduce the number of mistakes.
From a City perspective, we'd suffered a few injustices, and many blues quoted the non-penalty for the lunge on Aguero by Ashley Young.

Five years later, I'm still not convinced that VAR would have corrected the referee's clear-and-obvious error. I simply believe that some VAR Officials would have given it, and some wouldn't.

In other words nothing has changed.

However, regardless of Liverpool's reaction, it's probably the one subject that unites all football fans. We all fell for the marketing and didn't read the small print.
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I didn't and I'm mot sure the majority of football supporters wanted it either. It was always gonna be shit.
 
Do you remember when you celebrated a goal without wondering if the keeper had taken a goal kick with a rolling ball and thus invalidated the goal you celebrated twenty eight minutes later? VAR is detested by the fans. Except the odd busy ****
 
Stephen230 said:
What if it’s half a yard minus an inch?
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Which is why this ridiculous quest for absolute truth in offside decisions is nonsense. Any tolerance like half a yard, daylight or whatever will lead to the same 1mm issues. Either accept stupid 1mm offside decisions and shut up or just stop all this freeze frame, drawing lines nonsense and leave the on-field decisions alone unless they are clearly wrong from real time video footage, as is supposed to happen with every other offence monitored by VAR.

Personally, I have a fundamental problem with applying the concept of absolute certainty to offside decisions.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Which is why this ridiculous quest for absolute truth in offside decisions is nonsense. Any tolerance like half a yard, daylight or whatever will lead to the same 1mm issues. Either accept stupid 1mm offside decisions and shut up or just stop all this freeze frame, drawing lines nonsense and leave the on-field decisions alone unless they are clearly wrong from real time video footage, as is supposed to happen with every other offence monitored by VAR.

Personally, I have a fundamental problem with applying the concept of absolute certainty to offside decisions.
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You just given another example of what you’ve opened saying you’re against.

If “clearly wrong” is the benchmark, you’ve still got clearly wrong minus a mm.
 
Stephen230 said:
You just given another example of what you’ve opened saying you’re against.

If “clearly wrong” is the benchmark, you’ve still got clearly wrong minus a mm.
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It really isn't. It's changing what people want to think is absolute truth (wrongly imho) back into an instinctive decision.

The only reason we talk about 1mm is because of the god damn lines they draw.

Btw, I think VAR should do away with slow motion replays and still frames for all other offences as well.
 
halfcenturyup said:
It really isn't. It's changing what people want to think is absolute truth (wrongly imho) back into an instinctive decision.

The only reason we talk about 1mm is because of the god damn lines they draw.

Btw, I think VAR should do away with slow motion replays and still frames for all other offences as well.
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Just think you’d be creating even more controversy with a vague ‘clearly wrong’ benchmark.

No one is going to stop the TV people from drawing lines and I’d give it two weeks before one man’s ‘clearly wrong’ turns out to be less than another man’s play on.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Which is why this ridiculous quest for absolute truth in offside decisions is nonsense. Any tolerance like half a yard, daylight or whatever will lead to the same 1mm issues. Either accept stupid 1mm offside decisions and shut up or just stop all this freeze frame, drawing lines nonsense and leave the on-field decisions alone unless they are clearly wrong from real time video footage, as is supposed to happen with every other offence monitored by VAR.

Personally, I have a fundamental problem with applying the concept of absolute certainty to offside decisions.
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For an attacker running at full pelt, there could be up to 20cm between frames, in which time it is difficult to discern the exact frame the ball leaver the foot of the player making the pass (with the current system in use in the PL). In this instance VAR is nothing more than guesswork which leaves it wide open to outside influences such as bias (unconscious or not) and corruption.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Personally, I have a fundamental problem with applying the concept of absolute certainty to offside decisions.
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Agree.

Its an impossibility and to have a system designed to disallow rather than award goals by the merest of margins when we know the technology being used is unable to accurately capture it is just plain wrong and ridiculous.
 
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