Middle East Conflict

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

For all of that bluster, they don't have to look too far, or esoterically in the Koran for their excuses to hate, and kill Jews. It's there, and as straight forward as it gets.

Unfortunately, it is used and acted upon by a violent minority.

That's why I'm with this guy when it comes to pretty much all sacred texts in any religion:

'Scripture is no more than waste paper' (Kaiten Nukariya)

 

[west didsblue]

And not a word from 'sleepy Joe' and our own two twats Sunak and Keith, Hamas are rightly criticised because they are sick, twisted degenerates but it seems that odious butcher Bibi and his fellow hard right nuts have carte blanche to do as they please.

Unfortunately Hamas gave Netanyahu the green light to do what the fuck he wants by carrying out this mass slaughter. Prior to this Netanyahu was rightly getting plenty of criticism, and not just from Israel’s enemies. There’s no doubt Netanyahu set the scene for this by his politicisation of the security forces, his attempts to turn Israel from a democracy to an autocracy and by allowing the ultra religious far right settler movement to dominate Israeli politics, but Hamas has now given him a free pass by murdering 1200 Israelis. When the dust settles Israel needs to get rid of him and get back on the road to democracy and get someone in charge with enough respect, vision and authority to make some difficult decisions. I’m not hopeful that will be any time soon.

 

[MouldensChippy]

That's why I'm with this guy when it comes to pretty much all sacred texts in any religion:

'Scripture is no more than waste paper' (Kaiten Nukariya)

I agree absolutely that it's all no better than bog roll, and not even close to twin ply.

The problem is that it is still there, still being taught, and still being acted upon with horrific consequences. So what is the point of trying to wash it, or make excuses for it ?

It's there, and can't be denied !

 

[BlueAnorak]

And not a word from 'sleepy Joe' and our own two twats Sunak and Keith, Hamas are rightly criticised because they are sick, twisted degenerates but it seems that odious butcher Bibi and his fellow hard right nuts have carte blanche to do as they please.

Why? Hamas's butchery has given Isreal a free pass.
It should also be noted that Isreal does publish and broadcast where they are going to hit Hamas. Not that that will help when the generators run out if fuel.

 

[Ducado]

Biden has already issued a warning to Iran and Hezbolla to stay out of this. If the latter do get involved in a significant way then the US has to back up that warning. Likely, it will be a carrier group providing air and missile support rather than ground troops.

Agree on the funding. The only outside country with any political heft in this conflict is the US.

Obama also said they would intervene if Syria used chemical weapons, they did and the he didn't

The US does not want to get caught up in the quagmire of the Middle East in fact they have increasingly tried to get out of it hence the trouble we are in now, giving either side in this a clear run is not a good idea, and I blame US negligence in not bring Israel to heel especially when it was clear that certain elements on the far right were provoking the situation

 

[BlueAnorak]

Isreal has gone to a war footing and now has a 5 man war cabinet covering all major parties in the Kineset.

 

[The blue phantom]

Why? Hamas's butchery has given Isreal a free pass.
It should also be noted that Isreal does publish and broadcast where they are going to hit Hamas. Not that that will help when the generators run out if fuel.

Like the Ones they did yesterday and the buildings next door were hit killing Dozens.

 

[grunge]

There's a lot of fake news doing the rounds. to the extent that people are faking BBC videos quoting Bellingcat, both have said its a total fabrication.

the fake report was that Ukrainian weapons had been used in Isreal's attack.

 

[Corky]

It is a good job we have the usual geopolitical experts in who can't spell Israel lecturing people.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Like the Ones they did yesterday and the buildings next door were hit killing Dozens.

The strikes were published and broadcast ahead of time. Hamas will do fuck all about it though.
They really don't give a fuck about their own. The more of their own that get martyred the better in their heads.

 

[Ducado]

Unfortunately Hamas gave Netanyahu the green light to do what the fuck he wants by carrying out this mass slaughter. Prior to this Netanyahu was rightly getting plenty of criticism, and not just from Israel’s enemies. There’s no doubt Netanyahu set the scene for this by his politicisation of the security forces, his attempts to turn Israel from a democracy to an autocracy and by allowing the ultra religious far right settler movement to dominate Israeli politics, but Hamas has now given him a free pass by murdering 1200 Israelis. When the dust settles Israel needs to get rid of him and get back on the road to democracy and get someone in charge with enough respect, vision and authority to make some difficult decisions. I’m not hopeful that will be any time soon.

Not really it's only up to a point, do you think the free pass would still hold if reports of mass starvation and 100,000s of deaths ? They are being allowed to vent their spleens there may be a limited ground offensive but I highly doubt Israel wants to get involved in an urban warfare situation, more importantly the US won't just stand aside and allow it to happen, the simple geo politics of it all matters

Can you imagine the fire it could light in the middle east? Remember fires in the Middle East tend to mean we all get burnt

 

[The blue phantom]

The strikes were published and broadcast ahead of time. Hamas will do fuck all about it though.
They really don't give a fuck about their own.

Yes but they hit the wrong buildings, This is where we go back to the IDF'S "Damage and not Accuracy" statement.

 

[west didsblue]

Not really it's only up to a point, do you think the free pass would still hold if reports of mass starvation and 100,000s of deaths ? They are being allowed to vent their spleens there may be a limited ground offensive but I highly doubt Israel wants to get involved in an urban warfare situation, more importantly the US won't just stand aside and allow it to happen, the simple geo politics of it all matters

Can you imagine the fire it could light in the middle east? Remember fires in the Middle East tend to mean we all get burnt

Agree there are limits to his free pass but we’re quite a long way from reaching those limits right now.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Yes but they hit the wrong buildings, This is where we go back to the IDF'S "Damage and not Accuracy" statement.

If Hamas hadn't launched the barbaric attack onto Isreal then there wouldn't be a problem would there?
Aparantly only Isreal has to follow rules in a war. And make no mistake this is now a war. At the end if it, Hamas will cease to exist as a military threat to Isreal. Sorry to offend your sensitivities, but that's the way it is.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Which is exactly what I was saying in my first posts on the subject whilst Hamas were still executing families in the shelters.

Whoever the brain is behind these attacks is a complete and utter twunt. Yeah great he killed several hundred Jews in Israel, an attack such as this was always going to see a retaliation cost tenfold that number in innocent civilian Palestinian deaths in the coming weeks and months. That’s why I and so many others said it was all so bloody sad in the first place.

Nobody wins other than the extremist leaderships on both sides who justify their reasons for being.

Spot on. Hamas achieved fuck all militarily from their actions, but knew that the Palestinian people would reap the inevitable consequences. It proves Hamas couldn't give a fuck about the people of Palestine.

 

[blueinsa]

Hamas have a documented and readily admitted policy of using human shields.

They tell citizens to ignore warnings to leave saying it’s Israeli propaganda and should be ignored.

Ordinary Palestinian lives to these thugs are nothing but political capital.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Not really it's only up to a point, do you think the free pass would still hold if reports of mass starvation and 100,000s of deaths ? They are being allowed to vent their spleens there may be a limited ground offensive but I highly doubt Israel wants to get involved in an urban warfare situation, more importantly the US won't just stand aside and allow it to happen, the simple geo politics of it all matters

Can you imagine the fire it could light in the middle east? Remember fires in the Middle East tend to mean we all get burnt

I read, on the BBC iirc, that the IDF reckon the US will let them have two weeks before they have to scale back. Hard to imagine what they can really achieve in two weeks other than utter destruction.

 

[The blue phantom]

If Hamas hadn't launched the barbaric attack onto Isreal then there wouldn't be a problem would there?
Aparantly only Isreal has to follow rules in a war. And make no mistake this is now a war. At the end if it, Hamas will cease to exist as a military threat to Isreal. Sorry to offend your sensitivities, but that's the way it is.

Do you really believe that?. You've hundreds of thousands of kids watching their families and friends get murdered. You're kidding yourself if you don't think they'll step into their shoes. The cycle will keep going unfortunately.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Do you really believe that?. You've hundreds of thousands of kids watching their families and friends get murdered. You're kidding yourself if you don't think they'll step into their shoes. The cycle will keep going unfortunately.

Sadly that's the way of it in the Middle East.
No way out of it. If there was there would be peace now.

 

[Pelegrinni]

I’m behind Israel all the way here but completely agree with this, it’s just not acceptable.

I guess they can use the Egytian border to bring in food supplies. Israel is cutting off supplies which flows through their land.