Middle East Conflict

TinFoilHat said:
I'm glad they find it funny that News agencies are questioning Bibi the fascist over reaching his war declaration mandate by murdering innocent Palestinians he's equated to all being Hamas agents.
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And Hamas didn’t slaughter or kidnap any innocent civilians did they?
 
Eds said:
And Hamas didn’t slaughter or kidnap any innocent civilians did they?
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They do.

Am i allowed to called Netanyahu the corrupt fascist he is, and condemn Hamas at the same time?

I'm making a comment on how the Israeli officials constantly attack any news organisation makes who challenges their narrative on the war.

Any challenge to their script, the interviewer or organisation are called terrorist sympathising or they throw back a strange whataboutary argument as seen on Sky News this week.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
As I say, I’m informing myself as I go, so any of those with subjective views on the matter, can point out where I’m going wrong, from either side of the fence.
But I find myself drawn to issues I raised myself, issues I have with so called religious states to start with.

I was raised Catholic but I’m not religious and find the whole idea of state policy and foreign policy being governed by any religious belief as not only worrying but dangerous.

What I am finding that the black and white of opposing views of how the state came about and it’s subsequent history has less to do with Judaism and more to do with Zionism.

There are a lot of Jewish people in the world that do not support Zionism and see what has happened since the foundation of the state and certainly since 1967 as expansionism and this is the elephant in the room when it comes to finding a lasting peace.

Criticising anything to do with Israel is not anti-Semitism. Some of it’s biggest critics are Jews.

Listen to the argument at the end of this.


I think this Rabbi’s argument is that Zionism has bastardised Judaism and true Jewish beliefs.
I’m pretty certain you could make the same argument about Islam and Hamas.
But he addresses the elephant in the room, which I personally feel is intuitive and progressive.
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I've commented on this sect and their views before. Here: https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/israel-palestine-conflict.334241/page-341

The TL:DR version is that they're an extremist sect who believe only god can gift Israel back to the Jews, which he will do when the Messiah comes. But even then, it will only be true believers like them who'll be allowed to live there.

Everyone else - you, me, everyone else on this forum - god will destroy. And that includes the Palestinians of course.
 
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TinFoilHat said:
I'm glad they find it funny that News agencies are questioning Bibi the fascist over reaching his war declaration mandate by murdering innocent Palestinians he's equated to all being Hamas agents.
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Mr Kobayashi said:
That's a painful attempt at comedy. If that's a reflection of Israeli comedic talent it ain't a good thing.
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TinFoilHat said:
They do.

Am i allowed to called Netanyahu the corrupt fascist he is, and condemn Hamas at the same time?

I'm making a comment on how the Israeli officials constantly attack any news organisation makes who challenges their narrative on the war.

Any challenge to their script, the interviewer or organisation are called terrorist sympathising or they throw back a strange whataboutary argument as seen on Sky News this week.
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It’s not comedy.

They are laying the ground work for discrediting any and all outside agencies that will cover the war properly.

It started with the big attack on Al Jazeera over the hospital, then branding the UN antisemites and banning them from the country, demanding the secretary general resigns. They have long running feud with Reuters and didn’t they intimidate some AP journalists last week?

Despite what the inhabitants of the BBC thread on here think, the BBC has a glittering reputation worldwide for its coverage, and will be many peoples choice for an unbiased source when looking at the events of the next few weeks.

This is not news to anyone who follows Israeli politics even from a distance, the governments suppression and intimidation of journalists has been constantly criticised from within Israel as well.

Anyway, undermine the BBC mock the very idea of numbers of civilians killed being reported so later you can deny the figures these agencies respected worldwide come up with.
 
domalino said:
It’s not comedy.

They are laying the ground work for discrediting any and all outside agencies that will cover the war properly.

It started with the big attack on Al Jazeera over the hospital, then branding the UN antisemites and banning them from the country, demanding the secretary general resigns. They have long running feud with Reuters and didn’t they intimidate some AP journalists last week?

Despite what the inhabitants of the BBC thread on here think, the BBC has a glittering reputation worldwide for its coverage, and will be many peoples choice for an unbiased source when looking at the events of the next few weeks.

This is not news to anyone who follows Israeli politics even from a distance, the governments suppression and intimidation of journalists has been constantly criticised from within Israel as well.

Anyway, undermine the BBC mock the very idea of numbers of civilians killed being reported so later you can deny the figures these agencies respected worldwide come up with.
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Can’t argue with that. Netanyahu’s government are a fucking embarrassment. The USA, UK and Brazil have all got rid of their right wing populist criminal nut jobs (although in our case the replacement is not much better) and it’s about time Israel followed suit.
 
havefaith said:
Shouldn't, they be worried about Hamas, or have I missed something.
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Only that the *they* in this case is the (increasingly armed) settlers.
In a roundabout way it is the question I asked our blue in Tel Aviv and didn't get an answer for. Why were citizens in the internationally recognised borders of Israel left exposed like that? The two elderley ladies released the other night alluded to it also. Where was their security?
The answer lies in the short film @The blue phantom posted earlier. Extrapolate the manpower needed to police that system across the West Bank (absolutely not within the internationally recognised borders) and the conclusion is yes they should absolutely have been more concerned about Hamas.
The clips you saw are another worrying knock on effect. Inevitably troops are being redeployed for a possible ground invasion .... which leaves a void.
Apart from humiliating people at checkpoints the other role they supposedly did was keep a check on settler incursions.
Not only is that bare minimum of protection gone but the policy appears to be to give the settlers more arms.
 
This is the far right minister for national security btw. Makes a mockery of those dim takes that it is just this current 'populist ' government that is the problem. The opposition made a point that they will not enter a 'war coalition ' with the far right .... yet he still has his brief. All for show to appease Western Liberals.


 
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