Middle East Conflict

[mexico1970]

Seen in the recent demo in Birmingham:

For those who don't want to know it is a reference to the founding charter of Hamas and is a call to all followers of Islam to murder Jews.

I suspect she knew, ignorance isn't a defence.

 

[The blue phantom]

Israel have gone over the top with its response - but only 9,000 or so dead (HAMAS figures) with the amount of ordinance the IDF have dropped over the last 27 days is incredibly low. And no I won't fuck off.
The initial response to HAMAS murders (around 9 times less) was none existent in sections of our society. Some sections cheered HAMAS on. There is, I'm afraid, only one explanation for that.

WTF have I just read in this post. Surely has to be the worst one posted on the thread yet. Fuckin unbelievable.

 

[meltonblue]

This whole sorry episode sadly shows why humanity is fucked. We are territorial apes with dangerously big brains.

Those dangerously big brains have also previously led us back from oblivion every time to be fair.

We’ll keep unnecessarily killing each other but we’re still a long way from being fucked yet.

 

[Ducado]

Hamas fughters and IDF troops are fighting and dieing so thats not true. But I do wish Isreal would lay off targetting anything other than what fires back at them. It is counter poroductive.

What’s not true? It’s looking like a vengeance mission now, it’s just indiscriminate shelling and bombing

Plus the fact as I predicted and former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak had said today, the level of civilian casualties is turning the world against Israel

Israel needs saving from itself sometimes, because this government is slowly destroying it from within

 

[Bluemoon_420]

WTF have I just read in this post. Surely has to be the worst one posted on the thread yet. Fuckin unbelievable.

There’s been worse, but they were removed. Would’ve preferred they were left on so the forum could see these sociopaths for what they are.

 

[Bluemoon_420]

This doesn’t bode well for Israeli society:

 

[BlueAnorak]

What’s not true? It’s looking like a vengeance mission now, it’s just indiscriminate shelling and bombing

Plus the fact as I predicted and former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak had said today, the level of civilian casualties is turning the world against Israel

Israel needs saving from itself sometimes, because this government is slowly destroying it from within

No - plenty of fighting going on. It's nowhere near finished.

 

[halfcenturyup]

No - plenty of fighting going on. It's nowhere near finished.

Are you sure you aren't missing his point?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Just been watching sky news had to turn it over really upsetting body bags of children in the streets, blowing up refugee camps this is not targeting Hamas this is genocide, they are committing war crimes on a large scale it needs to stop now

And this is the big thing, even though they’ve tried to close it off, we are seeing the basic understanding coming out.

How do we describe it? Barbaric, understandable is actually the worst?

 

[BlueAnorak]

What’s not true? It’s looking like a vengeance mission now, it’s just indiscriminate shelling and bombing

Plus the fact as I predicted and former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak had said today, the level of civilian casualties is turning the world against Israel

Israel needs saving from itself sometimes, because this government is slowly destroying it from within

What do you think Israel should do? Pat HAMAS on the back and say"Well Done - You got us there!!"
There are consequences for your homeland / fifedom if you declare war.

 

[halfcenturyup]

They have a lot of things in common than just interference with the West. And that region has been in conflict long before there was even a West. Let's not be so arrogant to think we are that important.

I was going to write a long response but I changed my mind for everybody's sake. I will just ask you a question, though. Do you think Al-Qaeda, and later IS, would have developed in Iraq if Saddam was still in charge, and do you think Assad would have allowed IS to be developed in Syria if he wasn't fighting a civil war there?

 

[BlueAnorak]

You need help.

What would be a fair exchange rate between Palestinian and Israeli deaths, 100 - 1, 1000 - 1, 10,000 - 1, more?

Again, what do you expect in a war? Flowers? Black slaps? Hamas's choice.

 

[halfcenturyup]

What do you think Israel should do? Pat HAMAS on the back and say"Well Done - You got us there!!"
There are consequences for your homeland / fifedom if you declare war.

Oh, the "what should Israel do?" question again.

Once again, I have no horse in this race at all but really, as if the only possible Israeli response is what they are doing .....

 

[Koniec]

Have some random cnuts on the internet solved this yet? Fucking religion can fuck off. Fuck fuxk fuck

 

[Bluemoon_420]

Again, what do you expect in a war? Flowers? Black slaps? Hamas's choice.

It’s not a war, it’s genocide.

Your disregard for the thousands of innocents being maimed on a daily basis shows your lack of humanity. You have sociopathic tendencies and you need help.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Oh, the "what should Israel do?" question again.

Once again, I have no horse in this race at all but really, as if the only possible Israeli response is what they are doing .....

Go on then give me an alternative that prevents Hamas from appearing to advance to the goals laid out in its founding charter for the destruction of all Jews.
No one can, perhaps you can have a try.

 

[Vic]

They have a lot of things in common than just interference with the West. And that region has been in conflict long before there was even a West. Let's not be so arrogant to think we are that important.

Let's not be so arrogant to think that "the West" hasn't been in conflict long before there was a West.

 

[goalmole]

Netanyahu Is a fucking mug.

Hamas wanted this response. What a recruiting sergeant for them this has been.

Absolute fucking fool.

Hamas, on behalf of the Palestinian cause have made more political gains since October 7th than the Palestinians have made for decades.
Anyone thinking that Hamas is weaker now than it was a month ago, or that it can be weakened with the current Israeli/US strategy need to open their eyes.
Injustice and oppression can only endure for so long, as the Israelis are going to find out in the near future.

 

[goalmole]

1 Palestian who doesn't support HAMAS is too many.
But Israel can't let HAMAS exist as a force at the end of this war. It would mean they could just keep attacking Isael with no come back.

Israel is not going to eliminate Hamas as a force, political or military, anytime soon.
So the Israelis will kill more Hamas fighters than the soldiers they will lose but wars aren't decided by scores, they are decided by political outcomes, war being an extension of politics by other means.
What not many people have considered is what political effect this is going to have on the Palestinian population of the West Bank where Fatah is very much discredited and seen as an impotent Israeli stooge.
I predict, when the fighting stops and the dust settles,Hamas will end up stronger politically and therefore militarily.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Go on then give me an alternative that prevents Hamas from appearing to advance to the goals laid out in its founding charter for the destruction of all Jews.
No one can, perhaps you can have a try.

Oh FFS. I have done on at least two different occasions to two different people who kept asking the same stupid question. I'm not repeating it again. Look it up if you want to.

Another alternative to stop Hamas "destroying all Jews", as you put it, would have been not to respond at all, because they don't have the capability to do that even if they have written down that they want to, in crayon presumably, on a piece of paper. They do not represent an existential threat to Israel and all Jews no matter how many times you say they do.

Nothing personal, but people who keep asking "but what else can Israel do" when "Hamas want to destroy Israel and kill all Jews" aren't really being objective and their arguments are immediately weakened.