Middle East Conflict

urban genie said:
Tongue firmly in cheek with this one?

Netanyahu and Khamenei have vested interests in perpetual tension im the region, neither will directly go to war with each other though, Irans anti-israeli crap is geopolitics

The Iranians and Israelis tollerated a behind the scenes alliance for decades as both needed each other to fend off potential threats in the region, that all went to shit once Saddam was toppled, their bilateral threat was gonenand the buffer between both.
Since 99 both leaders have been running scared of their own downfall, bibi from his many corrupt endevours and schemes and Ali from a growing disfatisaction from the Iranian people over his archiac and represive rules, keepingnregional tensions high help keep them in power

They even again indirectly backed each other during the arab spring to help keep assad in power, as he is no threat to either but a more influential turkey or saudi would be plus any fledling democracy on their doorstep could inspire iranians to up their fight for change while for israel proper secular and non extremist opposition to their policies as a regional voice could be a thorn in the side.

Saudi and Israel stiking a deal and becoming more co-operative and Saudi courting Iraq to have more influnce has triggered Iran as they don't want any Arab nation gaining a strong influence over the northern middle east and along their borders more than they have.

An age old story of the Levant, Persians, Israelites and Arabs all fighting to protect themselves and their influence and power


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No mate, it wasn’t. Don’t doubt Netanyahu is a nefarious , Machiavellian ****, but even cunts like that have to choose their battles - and he’s picked the wrong fight at the wrong time imo.
 
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urban genie said:
Tongue firmly in cheek with this one?

Netanyahu and Khamenei have vested interests in perpetual tension im the region, neither will directly go to war with each other though, Irans anti-israeli crap is geopolitics

The Iranians and Israelis tollerated a behind the scenes alliance for decades as both needed each other to fend off potential threats in the region, that all went to shit once Saddam was toppled, their bilateral threat was gonenand the buffer between both.
Since 99 both leaders have been running scared of their own downfall, bibi from his many corrupt endevours and schemes and Ali from a growing disfatisaction from the Iranian people over his archiac and represive rules, keepingnregional tensions high help keep them in power

They even again indirectly backed each other during the arab spring to help keep assad in power, as he is no threat to either but a more influential turkey or saudi would be plus any fledling democracy on their doorstep could inspire iranians to up their fight for change while for israel proper secular and non extremist opposition to their policies as a regional voice could be a thorn in the side.

Saudi and Israel stiking a deal and becoming more co-operative and Saudi courting Iraq to have more influnce has triggered Iran as they don't want any Arab nation gaining a strong influence over the northern middle east and along their borders more than they have.

An age old story of the Levant, Persians, Israelites and Arabs all fighting to protect themselves and their influence and power


Both cunts know what they are up to
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I haven't been able to get out of my head that the timing of the attack on October 7th suited both Netanyahu and Iran. The consequences of that, though, in view of the warnings given and the ferocity of the attack and the response, don't really bear thinking about.
 
Roachy said:
What does the "played" bit relate to exactly, just out of interest.
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Because this is exactly the response Hamas wanted, and probably expected. Why else would they have slaughtered people in that way?

The response has been replete with anger, lacking composure, and cold logic. And ultimately self-defeating if the long-term security of Israel was his primary concern. He could have achieved far more if he’d stepped back and applied a more purposeful approach.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
No mate, it wasn’t. Don’t don’t Netanyahu is a nefarious , Machiavellian ****, but even cunts like that have to choose their battles - and he’s picked the wrong fight at the wrong time imo.
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oh ok, I also think he has misjudged the global response as this goes on, but I don't think he was fooled into it, I think this strategy was one of many he had on file to use when he thought it was viable.
 
urban genie said:
oh ok, I also think he has misjudged the global response as this goes on, but I don't think he was fooled into it, I think this strategy was one of many he had on file to use when he thought it was viable.
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If he’s misguided the global response (and he surely fucking has) then surely he’s been fooled into it, given Israel’s precarious status. It surely needs substantial global support to achieve its aims.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
If he’s misguided the global response (and he surely fucking has) then surely he’s been fooled into it, given Israel’s precarious status. It surely needs substantial global support to achieve its aims.
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I think as long as the governments of the EU Britain, Canada and the US back him while.
China stay out of it he isn't worried what most other nations or the UN do.
Russia will not get involved directly either.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Because this is exactly the response Hamas wanted, and probably expected. Why else would they have slaughtered people in that way?

The response has been replete with anger, lacking composure, and cold logic. And ultimately self-defeating if the long-term security of Israel was his primary concern. He could have achieved far more if he’d stepped back and applied a more purposeful approach.
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This is obviously an assumption and nothing more. It could well be correct but until the end game is reached, whatever that may look like, we just don't know.
 
urban genie said:
The west don't give a fuck about deaths/invasions/genocide globally unless it affects them, if ukraine didn't border NATO countries zero fucks would be given like when they invaded chechnia georgia or annexed crimea, niether were a threat to borders. Same goes for recent invasions of socotra ethiopia and somalia, where a passing interest is shown but no real care that illegal incursions have happened as it doesn't effect them mainly economicaly or politicaly
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Same as the balkans and Rwanda aswell . No oil on the table and even in Ukraine in the end the country will be carved up and Russia will keep the donbass and crimea .
 
urban genie said:
Tongue firmly in cheek with this one?

Netanyahu and Khamenei have vested interests in perpetual tension im the region, neither will directly go to war with each other though, Irans anti-israeli crap is geopolitics

The Iranians and Israelis tollerated a behind the scenes alliance for decades as both needed each other to fend off potential threats in the region, that all went to shit once Saddam was toppled, their bilateral threat was gone and the buffer between both.
Since 99 both leaders have been running scared of their own downfall, bibi from his many corrupt endevours and schemes and Ali from a growing disfatisaction from the Iranian people over his archiac and represive rules, keeping regional tensions high helps keep them in power

They even again indirectly backed each other during the arab spring to help keep assad in power, as he is no threat to either but a more influential turkey or saudi would be plus any fledling democracy on their doorstep could inspire iranians to up their fight for change while for israel proper secular and non extremist opposition to their policies as a regional voice could be a thorn in the side.

Saudi and Israel stiking a deal and becoming more co-operative and Saudi courting Iraq to have more influnce has triggered Iran as they don't want any Arab nation gaining a strong influence over the northern middle east and along their borders more than they have.

An age old story of the Levant, Persians, Israelites and Arabs all fighting to protect themselves and their influence and power


Both cunts know what they are up to
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Excellent post
 
sir baconface said:
One thing I really hope is that we don‘t get sectarian or geo-politically driven demonstrations in this country on Armistice Day.
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It’s really sad that like the national flag, Remembrance Sunday and the poppy have become political signals.

That day is about paying respect to those who laid down their lives so we didn’t have to. It’s not about what party you support or where you put yourself on the political compass.

I’ll always support the Royal British Legion for what they did to support my grandad. He fought alongside the Gurkhas and was stationed in Burma during the war. He said the legion really looked after him and my Nana after the war and I’ll never forget that. They’ve both passed away now sadly but I’ll always have massive respect for the Legion.

People who want to desecrate Remembrance Sunday should fuck off to Russia or somewhere, see how they get on protesting over there.

They should have some fucking respect and perspective.
 
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urban genie said:
I think as long as the governments of the EU Britain, Canada and the US back him while.
China stay out of it he isn't worried what most other nations or the UN do.
Russia will not get involved directly either.
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But public opinion is turning in those countries, because of the way he has prosecuted this campaign. Without a doubt.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
It’s really sad that like the national flag, Remembrance Sunday and the poppy have become political signals.

That day is about paying respect to those who laid down the lives so we didn’t have to. It’s not about what party you support or where you pit yourself on the political compass.

I’ll always support the Royal British Legion for what they did to support my grandad. He fought alongside the Gurkhas and was stationed in Burma during the war. He said the legion really looked after him and my Nana after the war and I’ll never forget that. They’ve both passed away now sadly but I’ll always have massive respect for the Legion.

People who want to desecrate Remembrance Sunday should fuck off to Russia or somewhere, see how they get on protesting over there.
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Bang on.
 
sir baconface said:
One thing I really hope is that we don‘t get sectarian or geo-politically driven demonstrations in this country on Armistice Day.
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If you could ask the fallen of WW1 what they thought was more important - protesting and trying to stop the ongoing mass murder of civilians with British government support and weapons, or remembering their own deaths for the 105th year in a row, what do you think most of them would say?

Personally I think remembrance Sunday is one of our greatest 20th century ideas, a powerful and always important reminder to the country and especially our political leaders of the real costs of war that’s probably helped us stay out of conflicts - but it’s very hard to justify that commemoration of deaths a century ago is more important than innocent people dying right now, today.

If one has to be prioritised - personally I think we can do both - then it has to be the one that could stop people dying, and I truly believe if you could ask the people being commemorated, they’d think very little of those getting more angry about the disturbance of a ceremony than civilians dying in their thousands.

Ultimately it’s pretty simple- what’s more important? Remembering the dead, or trying to stop people dying?
 
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domalino said:
If you could ask the fallen of WW1 what they thought was more important - protesting and trying to stop the ongoing mass murder of civilians with British government support and weapons, or remembering their own deaths for the 105th year in a row, what do you think most of them would say?
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“This shit’s still going on? Seriously?”
 
Ducado said:
If you look into the Islamic way of thinking they preach patience, to them Israel is just another Crusader state, they are quite happy to allow it to destroy itself, in fact lots of Nastallhs speech was about the need for patience, to them each human life is just a pawn in gods larger plan

The biggest mistake that has been made was being drawn into the spiders web, Israel is fast losing international legitimacy especially in the third world, again it’s all part of the plan, it gives Iran a much bigger market place, for example what would Cuba trade for Iranian oil, a hell of a lot, same with many African countries
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Very insightful, and this is something I have never been able to understand about Israeli and Western policy makers thinking.
In which world can Israel expect to carry out the policy of perpetual repression on a population that in itself is small and defenceless but is in reality a very small part of a large Arab nation and then a part of an even larger Islamic nation that is advancing economically and technologically. The Palestinians are not the American Indians nor the Indigenous Australians, they will always have support and they will always continue their struggle.
Time is on the side of the Palestinians, it is the Israelis need to come to a resolution that brings this conflict to an end and guarantees them a peaceful existence before the tide turns irreversibly.
 
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