Why do you keep pushing this notion of nobody saying this is hamas fault , everyone agrees on that just not with you on your disregard of civillians being killed in the tens of thousands, there is revenge and then there is genocide, you dont give a shit seeminglyOh dear.
Hamas started it you know.
now the bombing has gone OTT (I fully accrpt this) BUT it wouldn't be happening if Hamas hadn't attacked and killed 1,300 Israelis.
Apparanyly that is irrelevant.
He really can'tCome on, you can do better than "Hamas started it".
There’s been a handful that have had their distasteful posts removed. As stated in earlier posts, they should’ve been left on to show them for what they are.Prestwich_Blue is one of them. There are other's too but I had a direct question put to this person and he refused to say that Israel should stop their mass murder and genocidal actions.
Whenever someone who supports the bombing is asked if Israel should stop, their response is "why dont Hamas just surrender". It's not that "Yes Israel should stop for a ceasefire from both sides."
Israel's actions now are land grab actions under the guise of wiping out Hamas. And the majority of the world sees it now.
I've also openly critised more recent actions by the Israeli government with regards to settlements, however I have also criticised attacks on Isreal post its independence that had led to land grabs, you can call them own goals if you like , but I can't see the sence in attacking a nation then crying because you lost, and the expelled you from the areaIf only there was a yardstick for determining what Palestine without Hamas would look like. Not sure your argument holds much water.
I suppose you don't support what is going on in the West Bank? But then I would say you are all over the place. You clearly feel Hamas should be incapacitated because of their actions towards Israel, but it seems you don't condone the way they are going about it. You think Gaza without Hamas will be in a better position, but I am guessing you don't condone what is happening in the West Bank. I get it, it's an highly emotional topic for you, and the attack on October 7th is still very much in your mind.
But let me ask you a question. If you were an average Palestinian, who apparently is in his 20s, after all that has happened in your lifetime, and is happening now in Gaza and the West Bank, how would you feel about Israel? I have no emotional attachment to any of this either way, but I can tell you I wouldn't care much for Israel at all. To put it mildly.
Prestwich_Blue is one of them. There are other's too but I had a direct question put to this person and he refused to say that Israel should stop their mass murder and genocidal actions.
Whenever someone who supports the bombing is asked if Israel should stop, their response is "why dont Hamas just surrender". It's not that "Yes Israel should stop for a ceasefire from both sides."
Israel's actions now are land grab actions under the guise of wiping out Hamas. And the majority of the world sees it now.
I've also openly critised more recent actions by the Israeli government with regards to settlements, however I have also criticised attacks on Isreal post its independence that had led to land grabs, you can call them own goals if you like , but I can't see the sence in attacking a nation then crying because you lost, and the expelled you from the area
Bibi is an arsehole and alot of his decisions have undoubtedly cause an uprising. However for many years prior to bibi , Isreal has been under attack by all neighbouring countries, this doesn't get mentioned and this naturally leads to a more right wing government.
I wish Hammas would disarm and hand over the hostages , and I wish that Bibi is held accountable for his actions over many years, and I wish for peace and prosperity for Isreal and Palestein but fuck knows how that happens .
Now show me where I support innocent Palestinians being bombed?
OK. They (Hamas) are a terrorist organisation that wants to massacre all the Jews in Palestine. Is that better?Come on, you can do better than "Hamas started it".
A bloke walks into a the local doctor's house and kills his wife.All these people calling for a ceasefire make me wonder how they have decided the time is right for a ceasefire? Have Hamas been sufficiently damaged to prevent a repeat of the 7 October attacks? Have they stopped firing rockets in the direction on the nearest Israeli town or city? Have they stopped calling for more attacks against Jews?
I have the feeling that some would have preferred a ceasefire right after the attacks, which would be tantamount to condoning the murder of 1400, mass rapes, and torturing children to death
OK. They (Hamas) are a terrorist organisation that wants to massacre all the Jews in Palestine. Is that better?
Hamas have not started it as it’s being going on since 1948 and Hamas didn’t exist then.Oh dear.
Hamas started it you know.
now the bombing has gone OTT (I fully accrpt this) BUT it wouldn't be happening if Hamas hadn't attacked and killed 1,300 Israelis.
Apparantly that is irrelevant.
Your last paragraph pretty much sums up why successive Israeli government's policies have not only been brutal but idiotically counterproductive, well at least if their stated aim is to make Israelis safer.If only there was a yardstick for determining what Palestine without Hamas would look like. Not sure your argument holds much water.
I suppose you don't support what is going on in the West Bank? But then I would say you are all over the place. You clearly feel Hamas should be incapacitated because of their actions towards Israel, but it seems you don't condone the way they are going about it. You think Gaza without Hamas will be in a better position, but I am guessing you don't condone what is happening in the West Bank. I get it, it's an highly emotional topic for you, and the attack on October 7th is still very much in your mind.
But let me ask you a question. If you were an average Palestinian, who apparently is in his 20s, after all that has happened in your lifetime, and is happening now in Gaza and the West Bank, how would you feel about Israel? I have no emotional attachment to any of this either way, but I can tell you I wouldn't care much for Israel at all. To put it mildly.
Yawn.OK. They (Hamas) are a terrorist organisation that wants to massacre all the Jews in Palestine. Is that better?
Oh dear.
I guess everything is the West's fault in your head.
Go and talk your bollocks to Ukrainians and see what answer you get.
Its not revenge its simply self defence.
Any of our BM'ers North or South of the border happy to have their immigration policy thrust upon them by Israel?
Maybe they’ll achieve what they wanted rather than what they say they want.Nobody has forgotten it but we all know that wasn’t the start of it all, we also know that what Israel is doing is massively out of proportion and should be condemned by any sane person.
I truly wonder what some of you expect Israel to actually achieve here and at what cost to the Palestinians.
Its not revenge its simply self defence.
Any of our BM'ers North or South of the border happy to have their immigration policy thrust upon them by Israel?