Middle East Conflict

[goalmole]

I am really at a loss as to the war aims of Israel, in order to defeat Hamas they are going to have to go in very heavy and be prepared for a long urban conflict, but Hamas is like Hydra it will just pop up again and again as long as the conditions are ripe for it, so they either have to empty Gaza of it's population, which the Americans have told them not to even think about, or occupy it, which is going to be no fun for them and it will further isolate Israel, there is also the risk of further escalation in the north and the West Bank, this might be the reason a ground offensive has not happened, because they don't have a clue what to do after it's finished and also if it kicks off in the north they don't have the resources or man power to fight a war on two fronts

This is going to get really messy.
I think Hamas would have been expecting some kind of ground incursion and will have prepared for the eventuality militarily and politically. They seem pretty well armed, trained and motivated and will be relishing a Stalingrad type battle on their home turf.
We can't know but I don't think this battle will be as one sided as many people expect it to be and the Israelis won't be looking forward to it as much as people might think.
That's even before Hezbollah get involved.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Yet in America you lose more more children in mass school shootings than Europe does with Islamic terrorists, again you are mixing up rising populations with cultural change, there is no evidence of that whatsoever,

To suggest large scale population change, albeit lauded as multiculturalism, WITHOUT cultural change is a joke, right?!

Look around…

 

[ChicagoBlue]

What are the chances that ChicagoBlue is unaware of this crime that happened in Chicago yesterday? 6 year old boy stabbed 26 times because he was Palestinian.

Odd that he didn't mention something that happened so close to home, but it shaken up by something that happened in Brussels. Doesn't fit the narrative he's pushing I suppose.

Biden Condemns ‘Horrific Act Of Hate’ After 6-Year-Old Palestinian-American Is Stabbed To Death In Illinois

The six-year-old child and his mother—both Palestinian-Americans—were stabbed by their landlord in a hate crime that authorities said was linked to the Israel-Hamas conflict.

www.forbes.com

In a statement on Sunday, Will County Sheriff's Office said they had arrested 71-year-old Joseph Czuba for allegedly stabbing the six-year-old and his mother—who is severely injured but expected to survive—in Plainfield, Illinois on Saturday afternoon.

Czuba was the victims’ landlord, police said.

The police said the victims were attacked “due to them being Muslim and the ongoing Middle Eastern conflict involving Hamas and the Israelis.”

I’m painfully aware of the hate crime committed by a deluded old racist and denounce it unequivocally!

Are you suggesting some kind of equivalency?

I’ll assume you also want to talk about the young kid who slaughtered people inside the Temple a few years ago, too?

It’s all misdirection by deluded individuals acting out of ignorance.

I was hoping to find more nuance and discussion of the underlying causes and sentiments for these issues than the whataboutism for which the internet is famous. My mistake.

- There is no problem with mass migration.
- There is no problem with the ideologies it brings.
- There are no cultural changes in multicultural societies.

Got it! (smh)

Btw, how do we know they’re multicultural societies if there is no evidence of the different cultures?!

Carry on.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Nothing will change until those that make profit from this are disbanded and the real people take control of their lives.

Who are these “real people” and how will we know them when they arrive?

Should we carry a shoe, too?
Monty Python’s Life of Brian reference.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Ah, can’t you just smell the FREEDOM?!!!

 

[halfcenturyup]

Sounds like Bhuddism for you then mate;)

Been there, done that.

 

[halfcenturyup]

There is always going to be an element of suffering anywhere at anytime. Surely the goal should be to try and minimise the amount of suffering.

I suppose that depends on why you are suffering.

 

[halfcenturyup]

And the hostage situation? Any suggestions on that?

You think the hostages are getting out of there alive whatever happens?

 

[KS55]

Don't remember seeing Bush and Blair leading the troops in Iraq, or Nixon and Johnson fighting the Vietcong, or Putin shelling the Ukrainians, or Asquith going over the top at the battle of the Somme, we could go on.
Why a different standard for the Hamas political leadership?

This comment is the epitome of everything that is wrong with the political thread here. It is full of people making what they think are clever political remarks but are actually really stupid. You see no difference between a head of state and the leader of a private army whose sole purpose is to reach a political aim through violence against innocent civilians?
Just brainless.

 

[Roachy]

You think the hostages are getting out of there alive whatever happens?

Who knows? No one. Just like you I hope they do get out and return home unharmed, the children especially.