Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

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BobKowalski said:
The Tories are going to be annihilated. You’ll need the Hadron Collider to measure the number of MPs they will be left with.
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Wrong. And bookmarked. My guess is they will lose a huge number - maybe 100 even 150 seats, which will leave them between 200 and 250 remaining.

To put that into perspective, Labour only have 200 seats now. That's an enormous swing and it might be less than that.
 
But please take into account that here in scotland the SNP are flagging badly and will lose a fair number of seats to Labour. Don’t know how significant a number but will help to give Labour the large majority I personally think they will win in next GE.
 
BrianW said:
My guess is she's doing whatever her religion's equivalent is of lighting candles that there will be disruption and violence over the weekend. Preferably red paint splashed over the cenotaph. Then she will be proven 'right' and her position will be hugely strengthened. Being the cynic I am, I would not be surprised if there were agent provocateurs in the mix. The more chaos, the more bobbies knocked to the floor, the happier she will be.
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It's not like a previous Tory home secretary used sqauddies dressed as coppers to beat up 'enemies of the state' before...
 
domalino said:
The polls today also say fewer than half of Conservative voters in the last election think being homeless is a lifestyle choice.

That means about 12% of the electorate agree with it.
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Like them all he has retreated into his own little box and conditioned himself to think that 3 e-mails in his in box, a favourable letter to his office or a positive comment on-line is actually a majority view. I am old enough to remember when MP's spent Saturday afternoons walking the High Street and pressing the flesh talking to people
 
Chippy_boy said:
Wrong on many counts. FFS I am here on the "let's slag Suella Braverman" thread, slagging her off (and our PM) myself!

And regards your comments, of course the government is not the best we've had (understatement) but your level of vitriol simply demonstrates how utterly brainwashed you have become by surrounding yourself only with people echoing and amplifying your views into this frenzy of hyperbole. Anyone would think we're living in North Korea, listening to some of you lot.

I'll tell you what dim is. Dim is thinking that any government can deal with 400 billion of unbudgeted spend on COVID support, worldwide sky high (by recent measures) interest rates and energy costs, and keep everything in the garden just roses without issues. That's what dim is.
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If you wish to call me brainwashed and in an echo tank, a bit of background, i have had a friend stand for election on a BNP ticket, I am on first name terms with elected representatives of the Ulster Unionist Party, the Democratic Unionist Party, friends who are active members of the Socialist Party, Militant Left, and the Progressive Unionist Party, and a good friend who would have stood for Westminster on the Workers Party ticket only then you had to be 18 to vote and 25 to stand.
If tjisnsounds like an "echo chamber" to you, I suggest that you revisit your dictionary.
I am "brainwashed" by the fact that my pay has been cut by over £7,000 a year since the self-servatives arrived in Downing Street for the last time ever (thankfully).
I am "brainwashed" because I can see what is happening, and search out a range of information and draw my own conclusions.
I am "brainwashed" because I will visit Hansard to view votes in the House of Commons and draw conclusions from FACTS rather than propaganda fro Australian tax headers who move to the USA, or the French Lord who is tied into the Nazi supporting family firm.
Chippy_boy said:
I don't disagree with most of that actually. FWIW I have always said I am a supporter of conservative principles, rather than of any particular government. I may support a conservative government from time to time if they are sensible politicians saying and doing sensible things, but this lot are a bunch of tossers and I have very little time for any of them. I've already said I think Braverman should be fired and Sunak as well.

My big problem is that I think the same of the lot on the benches opposite them. I actually think Starmer is OK, but the rest of them, in the main, I can't stand.

Running a country is I imagine invariably a question of trying balance conflicting interests and constrained resources and never is everyone going to be happy. But the opposition paint this picture that EVERYTHING is the government's fault - which is patently not true - and that all we have to do is to vote Labour and they will fix everything - also patently not true. You cannot spend more without either (a) taxing more or (b) borrowing more. Money does not grow on trees. We're limited in how much more we can borrow because the national debt burden is so enormous already and people are already struggling so taxing them more is hardly the answer either. The idea that Labour can just tax "the rich" a bit more to "pay their far share" * and recover a bit of corporation tax and everything will be rose? Pure fanstasy. There are not enough rich people and businesses will just avoid paying it.

(* And what a joke that is: Someone on £120k pays £45,000 pounds in tax and NI whereas someone on £20k pays just over £2k, but the £120k guy is not paying his "fair share"???)

Anyway, nice to have a mature conversation instead of stupid nonsense again and again over saying 77m by mistake instead of 67m.
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If you genuinely support "conservative policies" then you will no doubt back Starmer, as both economically and socially, he is to the right of any and all Tory PMs before Thatcher
 
Chippy_boy said:
Wrong. And bookmarked. My guess is they will lose a huge number - maybe 100 even 150 seats, which will leave them between 200 and 250 remaining.

To put that into perspective, Labour only have 200 seats now. That's an enormous swing and it might be less than that.
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Labour will pick up in excess of 400 seats. Lib Dems and SNP will add another 60 to 75. Tories at best may squeak to 150. Right now I‘d say 150 is their ceiling and I guess they will come in around the 125 mark.
 
So annoying to listen to these reporters yell out silly questions to her knowing she is not going to respond.
Made for television I suppose.
 
Ric said:
You’d think they’d also know that the protest they’re supposedly countering is the day before.
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I read it as some supposed threat on Remembrance Sunday itself.

I don't even know what normally happens at the Cenotaph on Armistice Day (when Nov 11th isn't a Sunday).
 
Ric said:
You’d think they’d also know that the protest they’re supposedly countering is the day before.
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Shush Ric, don’t spoil it!

Can someone repeat and circulate that Braverman will be there to greet them in person on 12 November. Free tea and biscuits too to welcome them all as a thank you for their patriotic efforts in standing against fascism! Maybe leave the fascism bit out in case the smart ones have a tango moment.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Amen to that. I think she's toast as well. She fucking should be - some of the things she's said are an absolute disgrace.

IMO there will definitely be "enough balloons" as you put it, to make the next GE pretty close. If I was a betting man I'd say Labour will be the biggest party but fall short of an overall majority and have to do a deal with the other parties to form a government. But they could get a small majority. I don't think they can get a big majority simply because they are coming from too far back and the swing would be unprecedented.

But a lot depends on what happens over the next 9 to 12 months. If we have any further big setbacks or Tory gaffs, who knows. On the other hand, people tend to protest in by-elections and polls but then not so much when it comes down to a real vote that matters. If the economy is doing better, inflation is lower, fuel costs are down and the Tories throw in various sweeteners, then a Labour majority will be much more difficult.
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At this particular moment in time, who do you think should be the next Conservative leader?
 
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