Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

[metalblue]

Optimistic. Starmer would need 10 terms: he is a man who is unable to make decisions. He will get in and do nothing of note.
He was useless as DPP.

I don’t mind having a few years of stability.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

This has always been about getting a gig on GB News

I'm convinced she'll get a slot.

Braverman covets power not money like 30p Lee and Boris.

She's an astonishing shit orator for a former barrister and will make Darren Grimes jackanory hour seem like the Andrew Marr show.

 

[mexico1970]

The left have, for as long as I can remember, had so many misaligned churches of thought that has split the left vote which has let the tories in time and time again.

Starmer’s problem is he doesn’t have any money to do things that would appeal to the left nor the levers to really raise it. He needs at least 2 terms but can Labour resist tearing itself apart long enough to give him that?

You see it on here every day, the Labour part lost their identity when they fucked the real working class off and their only way back is to at least try to do something that will benefit the working class.

Too many middle class lefties fist pumping Labour into more years as the opposition.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I stated that the remain camp stooped as low as the leave camp, every day calling people stupid and thick.

If they would have played it clean they'd have won.

Is it a low, to tell people the hard truth?

 

[mexico1970]

Is it a low, to tell people the hard truth?

Whose truth?

What's stupid is knowing you are fucking an open goal by taunting, I mean that's really stupid.

 

[Scottyboi]

Is it a low, to tell people the hard truth?

It isn't an effective way of convincing people to vote for your cause though is it, gets peoples backs up and they double down.

 

[blueparrot]

Optimistic. Starmer would need 10 terms: he is a man who is unable to make decisions. He will get in and do nothing of note.
He was useless as DPP.

If by things of note you mean big changes then no, and he isn't saying he will. What he will do is row back the worst exceses of this government and start to repair the damege done to the UK at home and abroad. That for a first term will do for me and should help him gain trust for a second term.

 

[BrianW]

The problem the Tories have is that Johnson booted out their most competent and able MPs just after the Brexit vote.

What remains is mediocre at best. Most of the UKIP tendency are just bullshitters who couldn't run a hot dog stall. They may say the 'right' things, In the minds of their supporters, but at a practical level, they have no more idea how to manage than an ass has of brewing beer. The civil service 'obstructs' them when it does its job of telling them what is impracticable and what is illegal, or likely to be illegal. (In some cases, only the courts can judge.) This is what causes so much frustration.

You only have to look at some of the people who have been in Cabinet to get the point. Rees-Mogg, tasked to find Brexit 'opportunities' was reduced to asking readers of the fucking Sun for ideas. I mean, that is beyond parody. You can't imagine Pep coming on here and asking for advice on team selection, can you? Because a) he is competent and b) he would never dream of doing something so stupid.

 

[KS55]

If by things of note you mean big changes then no, and he isn't saying he will. What he will do is row back the worst exceses of this government and start to repair the damege done to the UK at home and abroad. That for a first term will do for me and should helo him gain trust for a second term.

Specifics?

 

[metalblue]

I understand that the government regulates the flow of money, it was the only difference between communism and capitalism being time that interested me.

I was really referring from a monetary perspective if the government gets your money in the end, why not give it to them to begin with? @Rascal is would be able to wax lyrical around the value of our personal labour as he is a fine student on this topic.

We could argue at length about communism in practice, but if we all did our jobs yet the money went directly to the government who farmed our lands, produced our clothes, built cars etc then why not? It doesn’t have to mean lack of choice which is often how communism is perceived. Money brings out the worst on people so of course it will never happen because we’re all so consumed in our lives hating the rich or the needy - we don’t see it for the smoke and mirrors it is.

My next thesis is “is poverty a commercialised product?” Subscribe below ;)

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It isn't an effective way of convincing people to vote for your cause though is it, gets peoples backs up and they double down.

Agreed. But it's often the case that thick people aren't capable of being persuaded through any means. They're stubborn and will go their own way.

People did argue the consequences of Brexit and but the deluded Brexiteers chose to believe the milk and honey stories from Rees-Mogg instead.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Wonder if Aphex is from Portsmouth?

 

[Scottyboi]

Agreed. But it's often the case that thick people aren't capable of being persuaded through any means. They're stubborn and will go their own way.

People did argue the consequences of Brexit and but the deluded Brexiteers chose to believe the milk and honey stories from Rees-Mogg instead.

Farage was everywhere and unfortunately was a convincing passionate speaker compared to anyone on the remain campaign. Annoying as fuck looking back, remain were far too complacent just like Hilary was in her campaign.

 

[KS55]

I don’t mind having a few years of stability.

Entropy suggests doing nothing does not bring stability. For example, the justice system is falling apart, do nothing and it just gets worse. Immigration needs real action to manage it properly, NHS waiting lists won’t solve themselves, AI will need regulating, etc etc. I just can’t see Starmer doing the necessary.
TBF, he is no worse than most PMs, we really do not produce them at the mo.

 

[mexico1970]

Agreed. But it's often the case that thick people aren't capable of being persuaded through any means. They're stubborn and will go their own way.

People did argue the consequences of Brexit and but the deluded Brexiteers chose to believe the milk and honey stories from Rees-Mogg instead.

You are completely ignoring the arrogant bastards that fronted remain, it was these people that eventually swayed the decision. What you're really doing is displaying class politics and that very thing brought us out of the EU.

Years after the same rhetoric and it's changed nowt mate.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Whose truth?

What's stupid is knowing you are fucking an open goal by taunting, I mean that's really stupid.

There is a ..... correlation between cognitive ability and falling victim to fraudsters.

Complete the sentence?

Is the missing word negative or positive?

So why would it be untruthful to say that people that believed in simple stories and simple solutions might be a bit...simple?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Farage was everywhere and unfortunately was a convincing passionate speaker compared to anyone on the remain campaign. Annoying as fuck looking back, remain were far too complacent just like Hilary was in her campaign.

It‘s easier to tell a lie about change than campaigning to keep the status quo.

It was also the start of the big misinformation era, experts being overrated and all shame being removed from politcs.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You are completely ignoring the arrogant bastards that fronted remain, it was these people that eventually swayed the decision. What you're really doing is displaying class politics and that very thing brought us out of the EU.

Years after the same rhetoric and it's changed nowt mate.

Do you mean the man who is now foreign secretary in a pro-brexit government?

 

[mexico1970]

There is a ..... correlation between cognitive ability and falling victim to fraudsters.

Complete the sentence?

Is the missing word negative or positive?

So why would it be untruthful to say that people that believed in simple stories and simple solutions might be a bit...simple?

Again, in your opinion.

The reason we were brought out of the EU is because arrogant bastards couldn't keep it to themselves.

 

[blueparrot]

Specifics?

How would I know I haven't seen their manifesto, but I'd expect better relations with Europe and fixing some of the Brexit issues, a better more humane policy towards refugees. More concerted attemts to fix the NHS. To be fair it would take very little thought to improve many if not most areas the tories have wrecked.