PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If that is true we should have taken the PL to court for besmirching our name.

I hope you are right though.

Charging someone with a breach of a regulation to which they are theoretically subject cannot amount to defamation.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Cunts in the media falling over themselves to conflate Everton and City are like someone comparing a driver who got flashed doing 35 in a 30, who pleaded guilty to the offence, and got a harsher sentence than expected with another driver accused of doing 70 in a 30 who not only denies the offence but has asked the prosecution to provide evidence of the alleged offence but none has been forthcoming.

There is literally no evidence in the public domain in relation to these 115 charges - and my very strong suspicion is that none whatsoever exists. Certainly none of the cunts conflating the two situations will have had sight of anything meaningful or we’d be fucking sure to know about it.

So yes, City will be punished more severely if the case against us is proven, but presently there appears to be no case to answer, because if there was it surely would have been determined some considerable time ago.

Any talk of City delaying proceedings (which was the prevailing narrative in the media yesterday) is a complete red herring, as is the notion that City need time to prepare to defend these 115 charges. I expect the legal professionals we have engaged could do so in under a week, if required.

If the PL had the evidence to support these charges then we would now unquestionably be at a wholly different stage of proceedings.

Time will tell of course, but I fully expect that the delay is simply because the PL have nothing of substance to back up these charges.

The alternative, namely that the club has committed grand-scale fraud over a sustained period, is not only absurd, but lacking any discernible supporting evidence.

This part of the equation is always conspicuously missed by these cunts in the media.

Funny that.

Also, if we have committed grand scale fraud over a sustained period, I’d imagine it’d warrant being looked at by something a bit more substantial than an ‘independent’ premier league tribunal!

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Because the allegations are so serious we won't be accepting any minor punishments. They are basically accusing us of fraud, and if they can prove it, which is a massive if, then people will be going to prison. I think the Premier League have realised that they have bitten off more than they can chew in their bid to get at City and by City not accepting any of the charges it puts the Premier League in a really tight spot.

Yep and if they find us guilty without any proof, which is what I think will happen, then City will be taking the case to commercial court trials. If the Premier League lose this case which they will thrn they'll be on the hook for an eye watering sum of money, billions I guess

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Also, if we have committed grand scale fraud over a sustained period, I’d imagine it’d warrant being looked at by something a bit more substantial than an ‘independent’ premier league tribunal!

The notion that City are fully as charged is completely absurd.

 

[goat boy]

Is it like this? Fix it for me if needed.

An analogy.

Jimmy went to a Spar on 3 occasions about 10 years and ago, and walked out of the shop, each time, with a bag of maltesers in his pocket.

Hes been charged with shoplifting. But, for some reason, hes been charged not once, for the alledged crime, not 3 times for each occasion, but 114 times for each individual malteser.

Now, Jimmy did no wrong and as it so happens he can show you the receipts of payment for all 3 trips. No crime has been commited and Spar quickly confirmed that they have absolutely no complaint. But, charge 115 is revealed to be non cooperation with his accuser. Is Jimmy's non cooperation at least understandable, if...

A) inspection of the 3rd receipt reveals he also purchased a couple of particularly nice bottles of single malt and believes his accuser will portray him, widely, as some kind of degenerate alcoholic

B) as he was feeling especially perky that day, on the 2nd visit, you may spot that he took down a couple of top shelf titles, and yunno what, that's a simple matter of privacy.

C) also demonstrably done nothing wrong at any point?

 

[kenbelly]

I yearn for the more innocent times when we all used to laugh at fergie and his dodgy transfer dealings with his son, life was simpler back then.

 

[bluemoon32]

Cunts in the media falling over themselves to conflate Everton and City are like someone comparing a driver who got flashed doing 35 in a 30, who pleaded guilty to the offence, and got a harsher sentence than expected with another driver accused of doing 70 in a 30 who not only denies the offence but has asked the prosecution to provide evidence of the alleged offence but none has been forthcoming.

There is literally no evidence in the public domain in relation to these 115 charges - and my very strong suspicion is that none whatsoever exists. Certainly none of the cunts conflating the two situations will have had sight of anything meaningful or we’d be fucking sure to know about it.

So yes, City will be punished more severely if the case against us is proven, but presently there appears to be no case to answer, because if there was it surely would have been determined some considerable time ago.

Any talk of City delaying proceedings (which was the prevailing narrative in the media yesterday) is a complete red herring, as is the notion that City need time to prepare to defend these 115 charges. I expect the legal professionals we have engaged could do so in under a week, if required.

If the PL had the evidence to support these charges then we would now unquestionably be at a wholly different stage of proceedings.

Time will tell of course, but I fully expect that the delay is simply because the PL have nothing of substance to back up these charges.

The alternative, namely that the club has committed grand-scale fraud over a sustained period, is not only absurd, but lacking any discernible supporting evidence.

This part of the equation is always conspicuously missed by these cunts in the media.

Funny that.

Which begs the question, why did the PL hand out these charges so willy nilly.
Surely they didn't think we'd just say "ok guv, it's a fair cop".
The PL's stance on all this makes no sense to me

 

[mexico1970]

Charging someone with a breach of a regulation to which they are theoretically subject cannot amount to defamation.

But what if as you say there are no basis for these charges that nobody has seen? I'm no lawyer but can you just make stuff up without any comeback?

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Yep and if they find us guilty without any proof, which is what I think will happen, then City will be taking the case to commercial court trials. If the Premier League lose this case which they will thrn they'll be on the hook for an eye watering sum of money, billions I guess

They’ve opened up a can of worms pursuing Everton, going after City and what looks likely to be Chelsea as well. They potentially will be at war legally with three of its stake holders, it’s interesting that only Spurs and Arsenal out of the big six haven’t had any form of punishment for FFP from Uefa and the Premier League, if it works why are teams with big budgets and revenues coming a cropper with it?

 

[Sheik Battle and Goal]

So the rags are squeaky clean then?

How the PL can let a club spend over a billion in transfers and wages whilst being hundreds of millions in debt and not be in breach of FFP is beyond me.

 

[Centurions]

But what if as you say there are no basis for these charges that nobody has seen? I'm no lawyer but can you just make stuff up without any comeback?

They were obliged to start an investigation once UEFA did as the two regulations are linked. I suspect fear of losing their honey pot with pressure from the other PL clubs and a potential independent panel drove the 115 charges.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Every succesful club are hated by many , Bayern,Real , Barca , Juventus , PSG and other clubs who dominate their domestic leagues are hated by their competitors , we are hated because of our success in England , the Rags and Dippers were despised by many when they dominated included ourselves, we loved nothing more than stuffing the Rags on derby day.
Success breeds contempt , but the hate for our club has reached new heights , when certain clubs can force the league administrators to bring charges for off the field issues, it really is a sign of desperation and a last throw of the dice.
Our club is the best run club in the world from Sheik Mansour down to the tea lady , we have the best manager , players , facilities in the world and we cannot be beaten on or off the pitch , its been proven over the last decade or more.
We will not get the recognition we deserve because the all powerful red'istree clubs dont want us to , but probably well past my sell by date we will in years to come , in a decade or more we could be considered alongside the 'istree clubs , but that's not why i started supporting City , i am not interested in being the biggest , only the BEST.

 

[give it to gordon]

I yearn for the more innocent times when we all used to laugh at fergie and his dodgy transfer dealings with his son, life was simpler back then.

same each game only perhaps two tv cameras. All the talk was about the game.
Nowadays I need to be a solicitor, lawyer, accountant and a fan just to talk about football.

Someone the other day was telling me how good ffp because it made all clubs the same lol. It's ok to be a billion in debt with a falling down stadium because all clubs are working under the same rules. He was clearly brainwashed. Didnt matter what I said to him I was talking bullshit.

I believe we are innocent the thing that worries me is being innocent might not matter.
The pressure is building on the pl to do us. I cant see how the pl can do anything else. The fall out of City being innocent will be horrendous. I fear the pl will take the easy route and find us guilty. I dont trust the pl either way I think this might be the beginning of the end of football as we know it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

But what if as you say there are no basis for these charges that nobody has seen? I'm no lawyer but can you just make stuff up without any comeback?

They are charges which we are required to answer. It’s not quite the same as an article saying we are cheats (although it amounts to the same thing). We will be contractually obliged to respond and therefore it won’t fall under the realm of defamation (is my guess).

 

[mexico1970]

They are charges which we are required to answer. It’s not quite the same as an article saying we are cheats (although it amounts to the same thing). We will be contractually obliged to respond and therefore it won’t fall under the realm of defamation (is my guess).

Thanks for the clarification mate.

 

[CC1]

The problem with all this is that even if we are exonerated
we are already tarnished and have suffered massive damage to our reputation

Only in the minds of fans. On a business level, our reputation is sound - that’s why we’re the most profitable club in the country & best run club in the world

 

[iwasthere1968]

Sorry to be a pain but can anyone direct me to the list of charges previously posted on here as a reminder. I need to put a Scouse back in the box.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Any talk of City delaying proceedings (which was the prevailing narrative in the media yesterday) is a complete red herring, as is the notion that City need time to prepare to defend these 115 charges. I expect the legal professionals we have engaged could do so in under a week, if require

Really? This is contrary to leading sports lawyers who shaped the 2-4 year narrative before concluded. What have they missed?

Stefan's take has always been that it will take an age:

 

[bluemoon32]

same each game only perhaps two tv cameras. All the talk was about the game.
Nowadays I need to be a solicitor, lawyer, accountant and a fan just to talk about football.

Someone the other day was telling me how good ffp because it made all clubs the same lol. It's ok to be a billion in debt with a falling down stadium because all clubs are working under the same rules. He was clearly brainwashed. Didnt matter what I said to him I was talking bullshit.

I believe we are innocent the thing that worries me is being innocent might not matter.
The pressure is building on the pl to do us. I cant see how the pl can do anything else. The fall out of City being innocent will be horrendous. I fear the pl will take the easy route and find us guilty. I dont trust the pl either way I think this might be the beginning of the end of football as we know it.

Football, as we know it was confined to the dustbin the minute the PL was created

 

[CC1]

They new it would take years to get an outcome and the media every month could write an article about it and every media outlet can praise us then at the end say but.. 115

Just hope when we are cleared Khaldoon will go to town on the media and certain clubs..

Doubt Khaldoon will be bothered with small minded revenge. His mantra is onwards & upwards in continuing to make us uncatchable as the best club in the world.
We just swat away the malaria carrying insects & they die