PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Manc baggie]

I made the mistake of checking the views of the Everton punishment on a couple of my own clubs fan forums & was disappointed, but not surprised, to see that most posters there have swallowed the anti City media bullshit that has been pumped out over many years, hook, line & sinker.
It’s all desperately sad to read the complete rubbish being repeated as facts, when in reality, City’s owners are the absolute dream ownership that just about every supporter would love at their club.

I should add that in fairness, there were not that many comments on the Everton issue, but with one notable exception, the posters had clearly found City guilty, albeit, without having a clue what the charges actually relate to.

 

[imrebanana]

The Prem want to keep this all in house with their Kangaroo court and officials who support red teams , but it cant, and wont be that way. They are accusing some very big political powerful people of fraud on a grand scale. The Prem see it as a football matter the people accused wont. Are the prem so thick and stupid that they cant see the ramifications of their actions ? This will go beyond football ,the Sheikh and/or Khaldoon only have to move some contracts around and take some away from the government give them to other countries, and Sunak will make this his number one priority, because he cant afford the country losing investment at a time when he needs as much funds in the country to try and buy votes in a looming election .

 

[wolviedinho]

And if it is criminal behaviour we are being charged with then surely the matter would fall outside the remit of the PL, and into the courts of law, which include all the rights of appeal.

Including directly challenging the concept and implementation of FFP!

Maybe that’s the threat city should use? Charge away, make it criminal and we will have you served up on a platter.

 

[lonestay]

Totally agree with that. But what if (genuinely if) we are guilty then we must face up to the facts and punishments.

The issue at the moment other than the PL coming out with the statement that City have breached 115 rules (relating to literally everything not specifically FFP) there is nothing to state exactly what we have been accused of. This issue we have is these breaches were first mentioned a year ago, and what’s happened since? Is there a date set for city to plead its case, has this already been done, how long does this whole process take?

Nobody knows. It’s a a complete shit show

We have been accused of Fraudulent accounting, cooking the books whatever you want to call it by the prem league . At this point they have produced no evidence of this accusation , also if they did have evidence then by law they should inform the relevant authorities because not to do so is a criminal act in itself, they have not done this either.

 

[eastmanc]

It is not fucking negative ffs. It is just being factual.

It is great that we all want to cling onto anything anyone says and be dismissive and pretend it is all trivial.

That not the reality, that's just being selective, and then extending it to being dishonest.

I am positive in that I believe the club guys, and mostly expect a good outcome. And it will fill all the better, the real scale of it, and not the pretend 'it's nothing' head in the sand.

Why so aggressive. OK your not being negative I thought it come over like that. Sorry you feel so offended. Fucking hell.

 

[lancs blue]

Do you have inside knowledge that there is no “hard evidence”? Nobody on here has much idea what the evidence against us is, we know the charges but the evidence is only disclosed to City…two completely different things. My concern is that since the CAS verdict, the PL have got their hands on additional evidence which now merits them charging us and them feeling more confident about it. However, all the evidence they have needs to be made available to us ahead of the “trial” so there won’t be any bombshells dropped in court.

In my view it was no coincidence at all that the charges were rushed out by the PL (hence the mistakes, initially) at the same time as it became clear that the govt was serious about an independent regulator. Nothing to do with "additional evidence" IMO.

 

[cheekybids]

Full Martin Blackburn article from the Sun liked on archive below.

Scroll down in the link for the Q&A insert with Stefan.

https://archive.ph/f6N7C


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People say it's all a stitch-up but the fact they charged City with serious matters shows you that it
isn't a stitch-up. It's a very bold move from the
Premier League.

I’m one of those people who thinks it’s a stitch up due to pressure from outside influences. I don’t understand how this proves it’s not.

 

[OB1]

Fair enough, I understand the why nots. We could still release a version that is simple to understand while not implicating the club.

We publish detailed accounts anyway. So why not explain the image rights and any other smoking gun the premier think they have.

The club if charged with fraud is facing an existential existence. Maybe time we pushed the narrative using our own platform. I am well aware it won’t happen but still it’s a nice thought -:)

The club can’t release anything or do anything that could be considered prejudicial. They need to treat this like a court case.

What they have done is make a very clear statement of their innocence and said they have irrefutable evidence.

We have to trust that they would not make such a statement if it were not true.

If we end up finding out that the most senior people at our club are liars and cheats, we should be very angry with them and work to have them removed from the club etc. However, they have given us no good reason to doubt them and they will hopefully be vindicated in good time. Meanwhile, we should continue to enjoy the finest football team these shores have ever witnessed.

 

[rickmcfc]

We have been accused of Fraudulent accounting, cooking the books whatever you want to call it by the prem league . At this point they have produced no evidence of this accusation , also if they did have evidence then by law they should inform the relevant authorities because not to do so is a criminal act in itself, they have not done this either.

That’s no different to me going around saying that Eamon Homes is a monkey eating lettuce with tentacles as fingers. It’s complete factless allegations and unless I could prove the above, then there’s nothing to answer. Why haven’t City gone and asked for proof and a hearing on said 115 alleged offences so it can be played out in court etc?

That’s the part that baffles me. Nothing is happening

 

[urban genie]

Rags - average club, with minor periods of success, made money off exploiting a tradgedy, poisioning local school kids and ssvy commercial selling when telly became business, Sky was their savipur in the 90s and without it chances are they would have won less.

Red scouse - yo yo club with little success, won thw lottery and got bankrolled big time, used money and then investment driven status they built to buy the best set up a sytem oof play that could be passes on from mqnager to manager and plater to player and dominate the game. (sound familiar, bar the complete opposite fan bases the model is the same as ours, they should be proud they pioneered such instead of crying like cunts)

The arse - Famous club in early years of football, then so-so with moments revived once bankrolled by (blood) diamond trade to moderate success in the late 80s early 90s, then back to so-so club.

The formation of the champions league and the 4 places have skewed everything as it gave those 3 and any other an added financial and commercial boost to carry on dominating the top places.

Everton, villa & the rest were complicite in voting for their stifling suggestion out of fear of our take over and now wil lreap what they sowed while.those 3 cunts are commercially ok enough to still have a leg up

 

[Norbiton]

As things stand, all that's happened is an accusation's been made, charges lodged, but no supporting evidence disclosed to the defendant.

From my experience that would never happen in any kind of civil, criminal or tribunal case.

How can City defend themselves based on accusations without evidence disclosure?

The PL have jumped the gun & put the cart before the horse after being panicked by government plans to form an IFR.

Do we know the Premier League haven’t provided City with any evidence or is this just an assumption? There seems a widespread assumption that it is City dragging things out

 

[Donmcfc]

I would imagine that all evidence is disclosed in advance so City know exactly what is in front of them. The PL cannot just turn up on day one and say “Here’s Gladys who worked in the laundry room & in 2012 she saw Khaldoon handing Mancini £2m in cash & heard him say “FFS Bobby boy,don’t tell anybody””

If Gladys can keep her big mouth shut we might be OK.

 

[Coatigan]

Are you saying there aren't just three issues at the heart of this? Well obviously we don't know with 100% certainty but the evidence even in the wording of the charges seems to indicate that there are, as they specifically mention them.

Partly. No there aren't 3, there are 5. But that's semantics, my point is broader than that.

'Issues', is a good word. I've read your posts, and I totally get your logic, and you have been careful with your language.

However it has somehow created a bit of false impression, that other posters have run away with a bit. And that's what I am really responding to.

In that a number claim there are only 3 charges, and 112 either don't matter, have been dismissed, are irrelevant, or whatever other version of taking that away.

There are 5 'groups' of charges, or issues, sure. But there are still multiple charges. If we are found guilty of any one of those groups, whatever number is in it will be the scale of the verdict, and will be shouted from the roofrops. Likewise, clearing a group clears a whole bunch, and the scale should be noted.

The group/issue with the non-cooperation is probably the most subjective one.

 

[Chi-town blues]

The Prem want to keep this all in house with their Kangaroo court and officials who support red teams , but it cant, and wont be that way. They are accusing some very big political powerful people of fraud on a grand scale. The Prem see it as a football matter the people accused wont. Are the prem so thick and stupid that they cant see the ramifications of their actions ? This will go beyond football ,the Sheikh and/or Khaldoon only have to move some contracts around and take some away from the government give them to other countries, and Sunak will make this his number one priority, because he cant afford the country losing investment at a time when he needs as much funds in the country to try and buy votes in a looming election .

Kangaroo court ? last thing we need is some drunk weirdos aussi verdict.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Time for Newcastle, City and the other sensible owners to set a new league up.
Let the history red shirts wallow and die in nostalgia.

 

[Chi-town blues]

Time for Newcastle, City and the other sensible owners to set a new league up.
Let the history red shirts wallow and die in nostalgia.

My ditto thought since the day this witch hunt started .

 

[lonestay]

That’s no different to me going around saying that Eamon Homes is a monkey eating lettuce with tentacles as fingers. It’s complete factless allegations and unless I could prove the above, then there’s nothing to answer. Why haven’t City gone and asked for proof and a hearing on said 115 alleged offences so it can be played out in court etc?

That’s the part that baffles me. Nothing is happening

You dont know nothing is happening behind the scenes ? But if the Prem have evidence that we have fraudulently entered accounts, then by law they have to report us to the relevant authority's otherwise the prem are breaking the law themselves , they have at this point not done so, so that would lead you to conclude they have no evidence or proof .

 

[Coatigan]

Why so aggressive. OK your not being negative I thought it come over like that. Sorry you feel so offended. Fucking hell.

Sorry mate, I didn't think I was being aggressive, but also just had a few responses in a row, and unintentionally combined my reactions to them all in that. I dial it back a notch.

 

[eastmanc]

Sorry mate, I didn't think I was being aggressive, but also just had a few responses in a row, and unintentionally combined my reactions to them all in that. I dial it back a notch.

Don't worry about it.

 

[lancs blue]

The penalty is excessive I think, and a transfer ban in reaction to overspending would have been more appropriate under the circumstances, but no one seems to have thought of that. It was a points deduction or a fine.

I'm not sure that the PL can impose a transfer ban, that's generally the preserve of the FA and FIFA. I couldn't spot anything about a transfer ban in the PL Handbook.