PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

CTID1988 said:
Based of some of the weird sponsorship deals we've had from companies that are clearly owned by City, I'm finding it hard not to believe we won't be charged with something. I can't remember the betting company we were sponsored by but the picture of the CEO was just some stock image from google ha, definitely some dodgy stuff going on
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What a load of nonsense. The company I work for has no presence online and the billionaire CEO is nowhere to be found on the web.

If you don't want to be public, you don't have to be.
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
I spent a chunk of my weekend arguing with someone who claimed to be trained in law that the CAS judgement was actually quite clear that City had broken multiple FFP rules if you just knew how to read between the lines. A little bit of education is a dangerous thing.
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At best, probably done a contact law module as part of a professional or business studies qualification !
 
Paladin said:
That's not correct. Clubs have to apply for their UEFA licence, and there are specific rules in the PL Handbook referring to this. This won't have affected Everton in recent seasons.

There is a specific PL rule that says clubs must comply with UEFA FFP rules, and we have been charged with five instances of breaking that PL rule. This is ironic, because we haven't been proven to have broken their rules (CAS), yet the club that has broken UEFA FFP (United) had not been charged by the PL. The PL has said it is investigating Chelsea though.
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Do clubs apply directly to UEFA for their licence, or through the PL?

I recall a sports lawyer talking about this some time ago, & he explained it's the associations who make up UEFA, not individual clubs, hence it's the PL who issues City our UEFA licence, not us applying to UEFA...

The clubs themselves formed their own powerful lobby called the ECA which is dominated by the G/14 elite European Football Clubs.

That's my understanding of it, but I'm happy to be corrected.

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https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/protecting-the-game/club-licensing/
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
I disagree pal. If the charges are made out I’m struggling to see how it’s anything other than fraud. That’s what makes these charges especially ridiculous.
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The only one where fraud could possibly be inferred is if we knowingly overstated sponsorships. There are plenty of instances where a company interprets an accounting standard, or taxation clause, in one way, which can lead to it understating revenue or profits, or underpaying tax. But these can be challenged and are often corrected via restated accounts or a settlement with HMRC.

Surely there has to be evidence of intent if fraud is suspected, as opposed to an interpretation. Setting up a scheme whereby we moved image rights to another company IN PLAIN VIEW (as Fordham is listed under the Manchester City Football Club listing on the Companies House website) cannot reasonably be considered fraudulent.
 
My thoughts are on this are very simple. I just dont see how the prem are going to come out of this victorious. They are accusing several layers here of fraud and deceit, it just doesn't add up.

Silverlake, PWC, City, CFG, Khaldoon, Sheikh Mansour and everyone in between are all complicit in covering up fraud on the scale the premier league are accusing of us. I just don't buy it.

There is no coincidence this list of charges was released the day before the Gov was about to release its report into advocating for an independent regulatory body in the prem.

The charge list was full of mistakes and edited several times, they had their pals in the media parroting on all platforms and its quickly gripped thousands of no nothing fans of other clubs who are seemingly believing the premier league are completely correct with this but will at the same time call the premier league every name under the sun if a decision goes against them and accuse them of VAR corruption and everything else.
 
Cobwebcat said:
They’ve appealed the PL decision in the same way we have so we are both at the same stage. There are no appeals after that under normal circumstances.
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Thanks - perhaps that should have been obvious - but I am still a little confused

I thought that they had been charged - they admitted guilt - the case was then referred to the panel (as ours is currently being) and that the PL wanted a 12 point penalty and the panel have given a 10 point penalty

So I thought that they were at 'the next stage' and therefore there should be no further appeal

In my defence - I have been away golfing so only been reading snippets
 
Apparently Everton ‘fans’ have a fighting fund set up that stands at £30,000, on Sunday huge demonstration, lots of banners etc

open season on City would be my best guess, lots of 115 and ‘we have one charge what about City and 115’ etc etc etc which is exactly what the EPL want, City name and shamed even though we haven’t been found guilty of anything. Also wonder where the money is coming from….
 
Oldham Exile said:
All this talk of Everton's appeal is confusing me.

I had thought that for months we have been told that, unlike with UEFA/CAS, the PL process does not accommodate any right of appeal

Obviously there is - who are Everton appealing to?

How would that affect us?
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The right of appeal is to an internal independent panel that the PL selects from it's 6-person appeals board.

Where they say there's no right of appeal is to the Law Courts, UNLESS you have a strong case about the PL's tribunal process.

What their rules state is you can't appeal a PL decision if you disagree with it, only the process used to reach that decision.

That's my understanding of the situation, so hopefully that makes sense.
 
decmancity said:
What a load of nonsense. The company I work for has no presence online and the billionaire CEO is nowhere to be found on the web.

If you don't want to be public, you don't have to be.
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But it was public and they used a stock photo. Just keep it blank surely
 
Oldham Exile said:
Thanks - perhaps that should have been obvious - but I am still a little confused

I thought that they had been charged - they admitted guilt - the case was then referred to the panel (as ours is currently being) and that the PL wanted a 12 point penalty and the panel have given a 10 point penalty

So I thought that they were at 'the next stage' and therefore there should be no further appeal

In my defence - I have been away golfing so only been reading snippets
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Correct, Everton have had the first panel of independent adjudicators rule against them. Since they appealed, there will be a second panel, after that, Everton have to accept the decision no matter what.

City's case hasn't been put before a panel and probably wont be for some time. I would be interested to know how long the adjudication process lasted for Everton's case. Was it over in a couple of days as I suspect? I hope they are as thorough as they need to be for City's case and I hope it's nothing like the CFCB's AC which turned out to be rushed/forced through and not very independent.

They(the CFCB) too told City fans they were independent and law experts doing it by swiss law standards. They were mistaken/lying and not held to account for that, if anything it was CAS that got the criticism by the press and broadcast media. City did file a complaint with the CEDB over the leaks, since CAS wouldn't/couldn't deal with it but there's no word on how that investigation went either.
 
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Metalartin said:
Correct, Everton have had the first panel of independent adjudicators rule against them. Since they appealed, there will be a second panel, after that Everton have to accept the decision no matter what.

City's case hasn't been put before a panel and probably wont for some time. I would be interested to know how long the adjudication process lasted for Everton's case. Was it over in a couple of days? I hope they are as thorough as they need to be for City's case and I hope it's nothing like the CFCB's AC which turned out to be rushed/forced through and not very independent.
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I think Everton's was five days.
 
Dribble said:
The right of appeal is to an internal independent panel that the PL selects from it's 6-person appeals board.

Where they say there's no right of appeal is to the Law Courts, UNLESS you have a strong case about the PL's tribunal process.

What their rules state is you can't appeal a PL decision if you disagree with it, only the process used to reach that decision.

That's my understanding of the situation, so hopefully that makes sense.
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My prediction is that the PL screws us over but the new regulator allows us to take it to a real court where we ultimately win out. The regulator will hold off any punishment given by the panel until a verdict is reached.
 
Jam Tomorrow said:
Apparently Everton ‘fans’ have a fighting fund set up that stands at £30,000, on Sunday huge demonstration, lots of banners etc

open season on City would be my best guess, lots of 115 and ‘we have one charge what about City and 115’ etc etc etc which is exactly what the EPL want, City name and shamed even though we haven’t been found guilty of anything. Also wonder where the money is coming from….
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Everton fans would do well to concentrate on their own case. As far as I know, their club haven't denied they breached FFP so it becomes a case of appealing against the severity of the punishment. I'm absolutely with them on that - they've been stitched up with a very harsh penalty for what is a first-time offence. There has been an edge to City v Everton games for many years which peaked in the aftermath of the Lescott transfer but things have calmed down a fair bit since then - not least because they came into money too and we stopped Liverpool winning the league a couple of times - and they need to realise that we're on the same side as them this time. Any protests or demonstrations on Sunday shouldn't drag other clubs into it as all cases are different. Plenty of Everton fans on social media aren't engaging in whataboutery regarding us and bear no ill will towards us but some have.
 
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CTID1988 said:
Based of some of the weird sponsorship deals we've had from companies that are clearly owned by City, I'm finding it hard not to believe we won't be charged with something. I can't remember the betting company we were sponsored by but the picture of the CEO was just some stock image from google ha, definitely some dodgy stuff going on
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Wasnt the betting company under the radar because they are based out of a country where betting is frowned upon? Something like that . A good few teams had similar links, liverpool included im sure
 
Jam Tomorrow said:
Apparently Everton ‘fans’ have a fighting fund set up that stands at £30,000, on Sunday huge demonstration, lots of banners etc

open season on City would be my best guess, lots of 115 and ‘we have one charge what about City and 115’ etc etc etc which is exactly what the EPL want, City name and shamed even though we haven’t been found guilty of anything. Also wonder where the money is coming from….
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has spitty ask to work on this game instead of city liverpool so he can add his intellect to the debate
 
JewelZee said:
Everton won't get relegated and were never going to qualify for a European place this season so this whole "harsh" 10 point deduction is a facade. It makes it look like the PL are taking a tough stance when in effect the net result to Everton will be negligible...

And it gives all these assholes another chance to scream bloody murder about us...what a joke...
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Everton's points deduction will, I'm almost certain of it, be either totally rescinded (and replaced by a set of limits to future squad size and spending plus a big fine) or reduced to maybe 5/6 points. I'm predicting this will be done by the end of February at the latest.

Just a hunch I've got. (cue the Quasimodo pics ;)
 
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