European Super League | ECJ rule that UEFA and FIFA acted unlawfully in blocking Super League (p 29)

Bill Walker said:
Someone was saying earlier that this is what the American owners want. Who do I listen too/believe ?
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The Yanks may "own" these clubs, but they aren't these clubs. If the fans walk, they collapse.

Granted the majority of club's money comes from TV rights & sponsorships, but that's based on a product, & a huge part of that is packed stadia, with rival fans creating an atmosphere.

We saw how dry & odd football became when it restarted during the pandemic. Sports broadcasters even started simulating crowd noises, because football became like watching a training session.

The fans have, & always will have the ultimate power. We just need to remind ourselves of that & use our power wisely.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Can't argue with any of that, except that any PL club on its own could challenge FFP legality in the courts. The usual suspects would have no say in it.
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Yes they could, however Dupont challenged it on behalf of agents, & a fans group challenged it on their own behalf, & nothing came of it.

FFP's an agreement between UEFA & the member associations who actually make up UEFA.

Essentially, the associations would be challenging themselves, if that makes sense.
 
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Does this ruling mean we can reclaim the fine we paid for being part of the group that were going to form the ESL?
 
Mike N said:
When I give up on City I’ll give up on football. 50 years of being a blue, I’m City till I die.

Lower league? Someone else’s team. Would rather watch paint dry.
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Good for you.
Competing in the English league and cup structure is the top priority for me. The CL and all the rest of it is just extra fizz.
Take the main prop away and replacing it with somthing different is just not the same. It just wouldn't be City without competing in the English League and Cup structures.
Let's be honest the government will NOT allow teams to depart for pastures new and coexistence won't be allowed to happen either.
It's UEFA +FA accredited leagues or ESL - not both.
The ESL on it's own is just a bottle if coke with very little fizz.
I'd give up the Season Ticket for sure if it happened. (It won't)
 
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Cassandra said:
Does this ruling mean we can reclaim the fine we paid for being part of the group that were going to form the ESL?
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My understanding is that it was challenged in court at the time by one of the Spanish clubs who won and the fines were never paid.
 
pudge said:
I may be mistaken but there's a certain red team of scouse cunts that haven't distanced themselves at my last checking. If we'd have gone the day silent, you could have powered the world on the boiled piss
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Yes but, don't forget they're European Royalty ( in the sense that they've rampaged across said continent thieving, murdering and abusing the place just like European Royalty from days gone by) so they will be above all this and feel no comment is necessary. Don't forget too - they're not English.
 
Dribble said:
Mate, the battle is dead before it's even started. The UK government has already stepped in saying the new independent regulator will stop all English teams from joining the SL.

The only way City could circumnavigate that would be to leave the PL & FA, & essentially become an independent entity playing a maximum 20 games per season in the SL.

This raises the other issue that it's the PL who're registered with UEFA, not City. If the UK government backed UEFA & FIFA, City would essentially be left with only SL games to play, & then UEFA & FIFA could apply the ultimate sanction.

The players involved in this breakaway league won't be allowed to compete in any of their competitions, including the Olympics, Euro's & the World Cup.

This move alone would kill the SL.
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That is what people need to realise, FIFA ultimately organise ALL Association Football, from the Jules Rimet final to the Under 10's game in the park tomorrow morning.
By joining a super league out with the FIFA umbrella you are leaving association football, not just the first, but the club, at all levels.
Dribble said:
And that's before UEFA & FIFA ban any competing players from their competitions, including the Euro's, Olympics & the World Cup.
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Not just those competing in the new league, but any and all involved in the club playing outside the FIFA umbrella (play for the Under 17's in an expelled club, expect to be banned from playing for your school etc)
 
law74 said:
That is what people need to realise, FIFA ultimately organise ALL Association Football, from the Jules Rimet final to the Under 10's game in the park tomorrow morning.
By joining a super league out with the FIFA umbrella you are leaving association football, not just the first, but the club, at all levels.

Not just those competing in the new league, but any and all involved in the club playing outside the FIFA umbrella (play for the Under 17's in an expelled club, expect to be banned from playing for your school etc)
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I think the realisation of this will hit those supporting the ESL very soon.

Everyone has stayed away from discussing this aspect, which suggests FIFA is keeping its powder dry.

Both Barça & Real sound desperate right now. They're desperate for the ESL to save their Galacticos model, which flies in the face of their FFP insistence which has stiffed Barça in particular.

It's not lost on me that both want the ESL, but also want to retain FFP as a way of keeping ambitious hopefuls at bay.

It's also not lost on me that we've heard nothing from Juvé, Milan, Inter, the Dippers, nor Arse regarding this ruling, or their intentions regarding the ESL.

I reckon if they don't commit to UEFA, FIFA will ban the clubs & their players from their competitions & that will be the end of it.

For whatever reason, elite players still hold international football in high regard, albeit players are complaining about the amount of football they're being made to play.
 
Dribble said:
I think the realisation of this will hit those supporting the ESL very soon.

Everyone has stayed away from discussing this aspect, which suggests FIFA is keeping its powder dry.

Both Barça & Real sound desperate right now. They're desperate for the ESL to save their Galacticos model, which flies in the face of their FFP insistence which has stiffed Barça in particular.

It's not lost on me that both want the ESL, but also want to retain FFP as a way of keeping ambitious hopefuls at bay.

It's also not lost on me that we've heard nothing from Juvé, Milan, Inter, the Dippers, nor Arse regarding this ruling, or their intentions regarding the ESL.

I reckon if they don't commit to UEFA, FIFA will ban the clubs & their players from their competitions & that will be the end of it.

For whatever reason, elite players still hold international football in high regard, albeit players are complaining about the amount of football they're being made to play.
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The irony. Real and Barca were some of architects of FFP, then when it has hamstrung them and meant they cannot compete with English PL clubs, they want a breakaway league to give them their freedom back! You couldn’t write it haha
 
This whole Real/ Barca thing is tiresome and they use their leverage to get more of what they want out of UEFA as the SL is knocked back by demand.

We’re dreaming if we believe UEFA will just f them off.

The ones who have not come out and spoke on it, I actually respect that decision, whether the managers will in the press conference today I’m not sure.

Relations seem good for City ATM and it was clear how it benefitted PSG first time round, so I can get why we have come out. Although I wouldn’t give UEFA anything after the last 10 years.

But I know our owners take a more holistic approach.
 
mexico1970 said:
The clubs that want it want it for a reason, we broke their toy and now they want a new one because we are winning at this one.

For that reason I am out.
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Eh? We hadn't won the CL when the ESL was launched and we were invited to join. What is to stop us winning the ESL and continuing to boil the piss of Real Madrid and Barcelona?
The ESL isn't to do with the CL, it's to do with La Liga and other national leagues being viewed as crap by their so-called elite clubs. This may or may not be the view of top clubs in England but the huge TV revenue softens the blow of having to put up with crap like Crystal Palace last Saturday.
I don't like the idea of the ESL replacing the PL as I know we have lots of fans who attend the majority of away games and wouldn't be able to continue, and there's no point in it just replacing the CL, but I won't dismiss the general concept if it's based on merit rather than income generation, and if it isn't a closed shop.
 
lonestay said:
That just shows how out of touch Sky are , once it was obvious that City were becoming football juggernauts they should have jumped on and reaped the benefits, but they didn't have the vision to do so as they are so entrenched in the past, just look at their coverage of games .
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mscenterh750 said:
Or the bollocks to do so because their cash cow is the rags, dippers, tarquins and spuds fanbase.
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Independent company supports clubs that generate most income shocker. Four of the five initial proponents of the PL get special treatment. Who would have thought it?
 
East Level 2 said:
Eh? We hadn't won the CL when the ESL was launched and we were invited to join. What is to stop us winning the ESL and continuing to boil the piss of Real Madrid and Barcelona?
The ESL isn't to do with the CL, it's to do with La Liga and other national leagues being viewed as crap by their so-called elite clubs. This may or may not be the view of top clubs in England but the huge TV revenue softens the blow of having to put up with crap like Crystal Palace last Saturday.
I don't like the idea of the ESL replacing the PL as I know we have lots of fans who attend the majority of away games and wouldn't be able to continue, and there's no point in it just replacing the CL, but I won't dismiss the general concept if it's based on merit rather than income generation, and if it isn't a closed shop.
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The "Legacy" clubs are broken, this is their way forward. Rebranding the same shit with different rules isn't a step forward it's helping the sinking ships.

In 20 years time there wont be a fan left that doesn't just see watching a game as just a good day out, they will be from anywhere and whilst that is happening the grass root clubs in this country will die.

If it's going to be the same like they tell everyone then why change it? I'd like to see a return of knockout competition regarding the European cup but that would never happen when all the clubs are stuck in this Hamster wheel.
 
Dribble said:
The Independent Regulator for Football will be in effect before any decisions are arrived at regarding our case.

Our Government maybe shit, but they know all about looking after themselves. The 115 charges is much more than Manchester City to them, it's about Abu Dhabi being touted to invest upwards of £20bn into the failing UK economy over the next 10-15 years.

Dya really think they give a fuck if £30m was paid to City by an Abu Dhabi based businessman, who was then reimbursed 3 years later by Etisalat?

This is the same government who gave their mates £16bn for mostly unusable PPE & still haven't explained where the £40bn spent on the test & trace system went.

I doubt very much they'll allow the bitter self interested sniping of ManUre, the Dippers & Arse to get in the way of big business, when the UK's in desperate need.

I feel the government realises the ramifications of the 115 charges goes way beyond football, & is firmly rooted in global geo-politics. Why else would they suddenly choose to get involved in football seemingly out of nowhere?
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It won’t be the tories by then though (hopefully) but I think you’re right Labour won’t want to piss them off either
 
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