It genuinely wouldn’t surprise me. My guess is NSL1 will be made safe standing, the front few rows of NSL2 will be corporate/hospitality and the remainder being the new family stand.That would be so disappointing if they actually did that. We’ve got a 7,000 home end and we instead decide to make it a new family stand..
How would repeating ss1 be more effective than a single tier home end?
Don't think I've ever heard a chant from SSL3 since it's been rebuilt. It looks like a combination of posh seats and non-season ticket holders from the other end and, if they are singing, the sound doesn't reach the far end.Personally I think that would be a massive waste of the opportunity of a new unified singing section under a roof specifically designed to make sound travel round the stadium, like it does when chants start in SSL3. It would be a repeat of the issues in SSL1 where chants don't spread as well as SSL3 because it is under an overhang.
The opportunity to do huge banner and other displays on the expanded L2 would be wasted also. As shown in the plans, the roof will be designed to enable drop down banners which cover the second tier.
Don't think I've ever heard a chant from SSL3 since it's been rebuilt. It looks like a combination of posh seats and non-season ticket holders from the other end and, if they are singing, the sound doesn't reach the far end.
Suspect it's a modern stadium problem though as Wembley is exactly the same and behind a goal though can barely hear the opposition fans
Both tiers at that end are already the family stand, so you end up with lots of kids behind the goal, so less singing, empty seats for night games and the front empties when it rains. Why would you not want standing fans behind both goals?That would be so disappointing if they actually did that. We’ve got a 7,000 home end and we instead decide to make it a new family stand..
How would repeating ss1 be more effective than a single tier home end?
Is there not in the middle? Always seems to fill very late for 2nd half so assumed it was freebies, although that could just be middle tier and my memory is goingThere are no posh seats in ssl3.
SSL3 is the noisiest part of the groundIs there not in the middle? Always seems to fill very late for 2nd half so assumed it was freebies, although that could just be middle tier and my memory is going
Hopefully the new/redeveloped stand will be better. Would it have been an idea to have the family section on L2 when it was introduced originally?
The only way this extension would have been atmosphere based would have been for it to be done properly. Personally that to me would have meant 1 massive stand- regardless of the increased cost. Then I would have moved. Alternatively, before the coop arena was built an entirely new ground could have gone up on the land we had like Tottenham did or Bournemouth are planning to do. Too late now for that.
I am in 115 and a member of 1894 but I have absolutely no intention of moving over. I am not going onto the second tier of the ground with a worse view just due to the poor design of the ground. I get it is for some just not for me.
I have somewhat given up about caring about the other areas of the ground. For the large part SS1 is decent and has the best bar area and that’s enough for me. City certainly don’t care given the whole second tier is corporate and they are selling more and more tickets to match day sales. To me there are too many risks to try and set up a new ‘singing section’, the grass isn’t always greener. A large part of the atmosphere is the wind up with away fans. City might well try and sell it as a new atmosphere end just to try and get people away from the away fans given the heavy stewarding and policing issues recently rather than caring about the actual atmosphere.
When I have spoken to those around me and that I know in 115 nobody fancies it. The only way in which I can see people going for it is cheaper prices etc like what happened with SS3 when people stopped their move to lower to get cheaper seats up top. I also think there will be nothing but season ticket increases from city so doubt that.
There is also the fact that surely those already in family stand will get first choice, meaning any plan to fill the stand with younger crowd or move people from other stands won’t necessarily work or if does will only be the nosebleed seats left at top. Could just end up family stand 2.0.
Of course I’d want standing fans behind both goals, but why not have 7/8,000 fans all stood in one huge second tier, creating loads of noise, behind the goal instead?Both tiers at that end are already the family stand, so you end up with lots of kids behind the goal, so less singing, empty seats for night games and the front empties when it rains. Why would you not want standing fans behind both goals?
The easiest thing to do is just leave it where it is. From what I remember kids tickets used to be cheaper all around the ground, so we didn’t actually need a family stand. I don’t think it’s worked really.That is one of the conundrums for City. If they do decide to relocate the family stand, where are they going to relocate it to? Maybe they will leave it where it is? It‘s interesting that either or both NSL1 and NSL2 could be made safe standing, which is mentioned in the planning application. *Future phases*.
Haven’t the club already talked about making the family section smaller, and stoped bothering to move people out when they get older?That is one of the conundrums for City. If they do decide to relocate the family stand, where are they going to relocate it to? Maybe they will leave it where it is? It‘s interesting that either or both NSL1 and NSL2 could be made safe standing, which is mentioned in the planning application. *Future phases*.
The Family Stand was expanded from NS2 to NS 1 & 2 in 2011. This was coupled with putting up under 16 prices in all other stands, e.g. the £95 ones were not available in SS1 after that, they went to £140 and then platinum on top.Haven’t the club already talked about making the family section smaller, and stoped bothering to move people out when they get older?
Relocation is the issue, existing fans were given first choice with tne South Stand meaning new fans were left with the dearer tickets and they were scattered all over, so difficult for groups of friends and family.
If S/C are given first go the numbers should be li ited as should the blocks available off the top of my head maybe half, then another quarter to new S/C holders.
The last 2000 should be blocks ring-fenced for matchday fans so it’s easy to get seats together for groups of friends and families. Also can we stop with the day tripper nonsense probably the vast majority of matchday fans will be long term fans that can’t go every week or new fans that may become long term fans, baybe a few that have been fans longer than you or me. Will some one only come to one game, yes, but as long as there is room so what.
Main problem nearly all the singing section likes being next to the away fans for banter atmosphere etc ! Can see a great majority will not wantlng to move for that reason alone.I can't think of a single reason why City would move everyone in the family stand from the North stand to the South Stand to accommodate a singing section in the North stand. It would be extremely disruptive.
Putting kids next to away fans as wellI can't think of a single reason why City would move everyone in the family stand from the North stand to the South Stand to accommodate a singing section in the North stand. It would be extremely disruptive.
I remain cynical about what we'll see. What's this covered City square going to provide? Is it going to be a beer hall style area to bring in the singers and get them buying loads of pints before making a racket? Or will the club think, they spend a limited amount and actually what we want is family and tourist oriented entertainment with lots of merchandise and to make a fortune capturing that revenue each matchday. Market to the Cityzen members a unique matchday experience with access to City square and all the entertainment plus seats in a single tier "home end" (they'll still call it that).
Those who come for a couple of beers and a sing song spend relatively little and they're already going to come and watch City sat where they currently are. The atmosphere is clearly good enough for us to perform as a club - unbeaten at home in 2023 - so why change it? Why not design it to capture as much revenue as possible which will come from those with kids, tourists and cityzen members who will undoubtedly spend more money.
If you want a pint you will get a pint, if you want food you can get food, you're overthinking it mate...I remain cynical about what we'll see. What's this covered City square going to provide? Is it going to be a beer hall style area to bring in the singers and get them buying loads of pints before making a racket? Or will the club think, they spend a limited amount and actually what we want is family and tourist oriented entertainment with lots of merchandise and to make a fortune capturing that revenue each matchday. Market to the Cityzen members a unique matchday experience with access to City square and all the entertainment plus seats in a single tier "home end" (they'll still call it that).
Those who come for a couple of beers and a sing song spend relatively little and they're already going to come and watch City sat where they currently are. The atmosphere is clearly good enough for us to perform as a club - unbeaten at home in 2023 - so why change it? Why not design it to capture as much revenue as possible which will come from those with kids, tourists and cityzen members who will undoubtedly spend more money.
If you want a pint you will get a pint, if you want food you can get food, you're overthinking it mate...