US/UK launch strikes against Houthi rebels in Yemen

gordondaviesmoustache said:
Think we should divert the boats around the Cape of Good Hope for now, swallow the inflationary effect and tax large corporations via a windfall tax to cover the cost to the poorest in our society.

We should avoid escalating this when there are practical, albeit painful alternatives available.

Long term, this type of situation is only going to get worse as drone technology becomes more ubiquitous. The world’s poor are getting better at asserting themselves. This obviously includes in relation to migration as well as disrupting international trade.
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That is an option we need to explore, although large Corporations seem to wield as much global power as nation states so raising the windfall tax might be a challenge. The Houthi are such an established force in Yemen I’m not sure our media is correct in describing them as “rebels”. The whole Horn of Africa is a dangerous and totally chaotic place and it could easily be a case of Houthis today and any number of others tomorrow. They have been fighting for around ten years now and it will take more than a bit of arms length bombing by Countries with no appetite for a protracted struggle to stop their attacks. Blueprint set by North Vietnam, Afghani Mujahadeen and others…the economic consequences of any sustained conflict could easily outweigh the logistical impacts of longer/slower shipping routes. The world is becoming increasingly complex and dangerous - and Pax Americana (if it ever truly existed) is showing its age.
 
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The cabinet are worried about the damage to trade unless it’s the damage Brexit has caused in which case that’s fine .
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Think we should divert the boats around the Cape of Good Hope for now, swallow the inflationary effect and tax large corporations via a windfall tax to cover the cost to the poorest in our society.

We should avoid escalating this when there are practical, albeit painful alternatives available.

Long term, this type of situation is only going to get worse as drone technology becomes more ubiquitous. The world’s poor are getting better at asserting themselves. This obviously includes in relation to migration as well as disrupting international trade.
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And then when the next tin pot group, or worse still someone like a North Korea, decide they want to disrupt international shipping lanes or maybe fire a missile at a commercial airline we should just let them crack on without recourse?

The world order will be finished.
 
metalblue said:
And then when the next tin pot group, or worse still someone like a North Korea, decide they want to disrupt international shipping lanes or maybe fire a missile at a commercial airline we should just let them crack on without recourse?

The world order will be finished.
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I’m not saying that. I’m talking about a particular situation which has the capacity to further escalate if we intervene.

If the Gaza thing wasn’t ongoing then i think I’d have a different view. You have to take into account the proximity of this to what is going on in Gaza, as well as public sentiment in the Middle East.

There is presently a solution which can greatly reduce that risk of escalation. I think it’s one that should be utilised at this point in time. Deal with the Houthis once this calms down, assuming it does.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
If the Gaza thing wasn’t ongoing then i think I’d have a different view. You have to take into account the proximity of this to what is going on in Gaza, as well as public sentiment in the Middle East.
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The Gaza Strip and Yemen are around 1,000 miles from each other, roughly the distance between London and Istanbul. They’re not overly close to each other tbf.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’m not saying that. I’m talking about a particular situation which has the capacity to further escalate if we intervene.

If the Gaza thing wasn’t ongoing then i think I’d have a different view. You have to take into account the proximity of this to what is going on in Gaza, as well as public sentiment in the Middle East.

There is presently a solution which can greatly reduce that risk of escalation. I think it’s one that should be utilised at this point in time. Deal with the Houthis once this calms down, assuming it does.
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I do recognise the optics aren’t the best even if the intent is genuine. It’s obviously going to be seen as us supporting Israel despite the fact they are behaving like cunts. It was always going to play out like that, once we threatened the Houthis we had to follow through.
 
metalblue said:
I do recognise the optics aren’t the best even if the intent is genuine. It’s obviously going to be seen as us supporting Israel despite the fact they are behaving like cunts. It was always going to play out like that, once we threatened the Houthis we had to follow through.
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All we have heard from some quarters is that "It's what Iran and Russia want" whereas in reality it's what's needed to be done.

Israel should stop killing civilians in Gaza and we should be stopping rebels firing missiles at shipping, we assume too much that these people think enough of their own people to not put them in harms way, they'd do it in a heartbeat.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Think we should divert the boats around the Cape of Good Hope for now, swallow the inflationary effect and tax large corporations via a windfall tax to cover the cost to the poorest in our society.

We should avoid escalating this when there are practical, albeit painful alternatives available.

Long term, this type of situation is only going to get worse as drone technology becomes more ubiquitous. The world’s poor are getting better at asserting themselves. This obviously includes in relation to migration as well as disrupting international trade.
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Anti drone and anti missile technology is also improving. So no, I don't think it will get worse - it may well improve.
 
SWP's back said:
The Gaza Strip and Yemen are around 1,000 miles from each other, roughly the distance between London and Istanbul. They’re not overly close to each other tbf.
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Fuck me your second class Geography degree taught you something at least :))
 
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