PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Iassel]

I'm not buying that. As I said earlier a £5 Billion +.Business could be ruined aswel as countless individuals reputations by just these Three people with no chance of any appeal.

Not having it.

It’s literally happening right now to Everton who are going to be relegated, lose their new investors and quite probably end up in administration based upon the ruling of 6 people (IC + appeals board) with no chance of appeal outside the prescribed PL processes.

Of course it’s perfectly acceptable and understandable to wish there was a separate recourse available, but that’s not reality - so long as the IC and Appeals IC don’t enact a kangaroo court and openly ignore cogent submissions, which won’t happen, the appeals route ends there.

 

[Bez]

Not sure when they charged us the envisaged us winning all 5 major trophies on offer thus becoming the most successful side in English football history in one season ! Will certainly harm the Premier League and its officials in they find us guilty as it took them from 2011to 2023 to find these so called breaches !

The PL have been a total shambles whilst we have gone from strength to strength during 2023. Long may it continue.

 

[bluenova]

Been plotting out all the fingers that Mansour has in various pies as it relates to football

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As you can see he has a partnership with RedBird with his IMI company not sure if it’s RedBird IMI who has shared in Fenway though

I think it's Redbird that invests in Fenway, Toulouse and AC Milan.

 

[inchy14]

It’s literally happening right now to Everton who are going to be relegated, lose their new investors and quite probably end up in administration based upon the ruling of 6 people (IC + appeals board) with no chance of appeal outside the prescribed PL processes.

Of course it’s perfectly acceptable and understandable to wish there was a separate recourse available, but that’s not reality - so long as the IC and Appeals IC don’t enact a kangaroo court and openly ignore cogent submissions, which won’t happen, the appeals route ends there.

Everton have admitted they broke the rules, they’re appealing the sentence nothing else. Absolutely fuck all like OUR case.

 

[Chappie]

It’s literally happening right now to Everton who are going to be relegated, lose their new investors and quite probably end up in administration based upon the ruling of 6 people (IC + appeals board) with no chance of appeal outside the prescribed PL processes.

Of course it’s perfectly acceptable and understandable to wish there was a separate recourse available, but that’s not reality - so long as the IC and Appeals IC don’t enact a kangaroo court and openly ignore cogent submissions, which won’t happen, the appeals route ends there.

If you can't see the 2 cases are totally different you are not very good .
Everton, have admitted their wrongdoing and no one has inferred fraud in relation to them.
However people on here wish to dress up the allegations against City, the premier league officials and their coherts are inferring fraud has taken place.
They will not be able to get away with, the balance of probability, and hide behind their private members rules.
Our owners will see to that.
Either they find irrefutable evidence or we walk away with no case to answer.
This time their will be no, none-cooperation charge accepted.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

It’s literally happening right now to Everton who are going to be relegated, lose their new investors and quite probably end up in administration based upon the ruling of 6 people (IC + appeals board) with no chance of appeal outside the prescribed PL processes.

Of course it’s perfectly acceptable and understandable to wish there was a separate recourse available, but that’s not reality - so long as the IC and Appeals IC don’t enact a kangaroo court and openly ignore cogent submissions, which won’t happen, the appeals route ends there.

Except there is of course separate recourse. Indictated by just how cautious the PL are about even discussing it. They can find as they may - that's true, but we can then take legal action if it isn't factually and legally watertight and is unfair, onerous and detrimental as a result - under various legal approaches. Oh and why are you going on about Everton?

 

[Metalartin]

I don't think it's the same thing:

When a club has admitted wrong doing but are asking for exemptions due to mitigating circumstances.

vs

A scenario where the PL and their independent commission were to say allegations are proven yet the defendant club strongly dispute the findings because the PL have in no way proven their allegations to a comfortable satisfaction, in accordance with English law.

Who would check that out, to say who is right or wrong? Another PL chosen commission...

That's the problem a lot of people are seeing but we haven't crossed that bridge yet and maybe we'll never have to. We've all been burned by the farce of UEFA and their CFCB independent panel of adjudicators. It's not an unreasonable position to hold in that respect but perhaps we do need to wait and see first a little bit.

I know a lot of the law experts are saying we shouldn't be worried about that at all but they haven't really given any compelling reasons other than 'these are professional people, with big reputations to uphold' type arguments. If you knew there was no way the club could challenge your decision and expose your lack of due process in the courts, then you'd not consider it that much of a risk though, right? Even the CFCB knowing CAS could show them up, still gave the verdict they gave.

Edit: Ah I see everyone else is just as bored of that Everton comparison being made.

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

I'm not a legal expert like some on here;-) but if City do offer the irrefutable evidence they say they have and this irrefutable evidence explains and shows City have done everything right and the IC ignore this and deliver a guilty verdict anyway (kangaroo court anyone).
Would this not be grounds for appeal as the IC have ignored compelling evidence. I will take my bar exam tonight on my bar stool at the pub, if I'm right.

Of course it would. I think many are approaching this question of appeal from the wrong end The IC is not a judicial body and it does not have any right to deny an appeal to a court. A properly constituted court may deny an appeal if it is not based on solid grounds eg a perverse judgement. If City were found guilty of the charges which involve deception, disguising owner investment as sponsorship, or anything which might be fraudulent then the court of appeal would listen to the grounds on which the appeal was made and decide whether the grounds are valid and the appeal is to be considered. Finally a ruling on the outcome is given. As I have said previously grounds for appeal may be that the IC cannot say something which is criminal conduct is not and thus evade the watchful eye of the courts and that the IC has no right whatsoever to pronounce on matters involving the criminal law, which is the province of the courts and only the courts.

This is the vital difference with the Everton case: there is no question of criminal conduct (that we know of anyway) but of infringing only the PL's rules. Everton could, I believe, "appeal" to the IC on the grounds that the PL's rules are not consistent with UK competition law and if/when this contention is rejected they could appeal to the courts. That might be interesting.

Best of luck in your bar exam!

 

[Dribble]

I do understand where you’re coming from and it makes the whole situation farcical.

“We’re not saying you’re guilty of armed robbery. But we are accusing you of walking into a bank, pointing a gun at the teller and leaving with a suitcase full of cash”.

You would certainly hope that, even if the PL claim we have merely broken their rules rather than committed fraud, an experienced KC would view the two things as being one and the same and demand a level of evidence appropriate for it.

Nail on the head...

 

[Bluesince1979]

Everton have admitted they broke the rules, they’re appealing the sentence nothing else. Absolutely fuck all like OUR case.

Yep. Everton coughed up, bang to rights. No kangaroo court here.

 

[Blue_Lightsaber]

Slap on the wrist from the premier tolm? City carry on winning.

What other choice do they have? Once it gets taken out of the leagues hands then it’s game over for the grubby red clubs.

They would be safer just accepting the blue juggernaut is here to stay.

We have yet to take a “pinch” from the league.

@tolmie's hairdoo @projectriver @Prestwich_Blue

Have you ever thought they don't actually want to resolve the issue?

There is never going to be settlement that makes them or the PL look good in any capacity and if they actually convict on the charges or drop the charges, and we sue/ appeal.. it's actually worse for them!

The status quo suits them the best!



It's just like politics:

Gives them a forever "we must protect ourselves, and only we're willing to do that" to try and stay in power or distract from their abysmal behaviors and policies, which is why they deliberately don't want to actually work on anything resembling a real solution!

FFS.. just look at Israel/ Palestine.. or immigration or NHS.. same exactly playbook!

So they're just going to keep on beating the 115 drum infinitely and this matter isn't getting resolved anytime soon if ever.


P.S.
(@Ric please forgive me for bringing politics into this but just using this an example)

 

[neel]

 

[Gordyola]

I think it's Redbird that invests in Fenway, Toulouse and AC Milan.

Yeah that’s what I thought it

 

[Manchester_lalala]

So much for building good relations with UEFA. Bitter cunts didn’t have the evidence.

 

[Bez]

Despite losing at CAS UEFA still believe City were/are guilty. Ceferin has made some recent comments via The Telegraph. City's exec should call him up to ask him to explain himself and ask him what specific evidence is Ceferin referring to? Ceferin's reps presided over a kangaroo court. What a jerk!

‘We know we were right’: Uefa chief Aleksander Ceferin sure of Man City’s FFP guilt

Exclusive: In a wide-ranging interview, Uefa’s president discusses the ongoing battle with City, Saudi Arabia and his Euros security fears

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

Sue the ****.

 

[M18CTID]

Bizarre that he, of all people, would come out with this now. I thought out of all the UEFA lot he was supposed to be a friend of the club.

 

[Metalartin]

I'm no expert but I think even if it turns out to be the worst case scenario:

Two not so independent commissions both say City are guilty but the club are still adamant that their accusers haven't given anywhere near enough sufficient evidence(the minimum level of satisfaction) in accordance with english law. The club cannot stop the punishment being handed out and end up in league 2, with a massive fine, players lost, sponsorship deals lost and a massive decline in revenue as a direct result.

The club are only left with taking the PL and their commissions to the courts for damages(including any punishments handed out), to basically say they've lied about proving their case and damn near ruined a big club in the process. There is no way I can believe there is a world were you basically run your own kangaroo court/arbitration process and not be held account, if you govern it fraudulently.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It’s a non-story.

Ceferin says that he trusted the process of his commission and that they acted properly.

CAS thought differently.

End.

 

[waspish]

Despite losing at CAS UEFA still believe City were/are guilty. Ceferin has made some recent comments via The Telegraph. City's exec should call him up to ask him to explain himself and ask him what specific evidence is Ceferin referring to? Ceferin's reps presided over a kangaroo court. What a jerk!

‘We know we were right’: Uefa chief Aleksander Ceferin sure of Man City’s FFP guilt

Exclusive: In a wide-ranging interview, Uefa’s president discusses the ongoing battle with City, Saudi Arabia and his Euros security fears

www.telegraph.co.uk

Can't believe he agreed to an interview about it!